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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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I encourage everyone to read the original explanation for banning Trump straight from Twitter itself.

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...

Now that we're more than a year past the election, it's pretty sobering to read the exact statements by Trump and how Twitter interpreted them as "We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy".

One of the "damning" statements was “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”

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> understand how their argument looks in a mirror to someone who disagrees with their stated position Care to elaborate?

In my opinion that "paradox" is just used as a justification to silence speech of others. All one must do is label their opponent as "intolerant", and all of a sudden all bets are off. And frankly, nowadays more and more perfectly normal behaviour such as simply disagreeing is seen as intolerant.

> used as a justification to silence speech of others

I understand what you're saying, but that kind of behavior is often itself a form of intolerance that we should be intolerant of.

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If somebody truly creates value out of thin air, then they deserve to be heard.

I agree. This is why labor unions need to be heard!

Heard yes, protected from firing? Not necessarily.

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> understand how their argument looks in a mirror to someone who disagrees with their stated position Care to elaborate?

The problem is exacerbated because 'intolerance' is a buzzword like 'violence' now. It's a label used to attempt to silence or de-platform a dissenting opinion. The people applying the label are often themselves the perpetrator of intolerance against a valid, and perhaps even mainstream, political viewpoint. Turns out silencing your political opponent is an extremely effective strategy.

> It's a label used to attempt to silence or de-platform a dissenting opinion.

Right. Dissent != intolerance. Something that is just a dissenting opinion would not qualify as something we should be intolerant of, only actual intolerance.

A difficult, nuanced, fine-line to walk for sure.

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He's been proven guilty. He did it on live tv. The fact that he still has enough political power to avoid execution for sedition, or any responsibility whatsoever for this crime, does not have any effect on the truth value of my statement.

proven guilty of what ? Any evidence ?

We could get into the detail but I won't, it's a waste of time here.

But the very denial of the election result, and all that stems from that, is enough.

If you can't see that, then you're a bigger fool than most of us.

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I doubt Thiel is some kind of central master mind behind all this. Musk seems quite independently driven and probably found this a necessary move with only minor chats with thiel (if any). I'm not sure Thiel has any more or less influence than Sam Altman or Paul Graham.

"Elon Musk Reacts To WSJ Report That 'Shadow Crew' Of Billionaires Including Peter Thiel Pushed Him To Buy Twitter" https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants... "A source who spoke to both men said that Musk thinks Thiel is "a sociopath," and Thiel considers Musk "a fraud."" https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relati...

This is a very rare occasion when I can say that both Musk and Thiel are probably right (not that it matters either way).

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I think that mob incitement is an excuse used for selective enforcement of the rules. If you're on the left, you're clearly operating under different rules: https://twitter.com/LoriLightfoot/status/1523844510735908864

Context matters. The LGBTQ+ community is not known for having weapons and for bringing those to the table during debates. It is not known for committing violence either.

This contrasts severely with the crowd that Trump was addressing at the time. Their spaces were filled with calls to weaponization, civil wars and conspiracies against the system itself. The messages were written after people had made threats and refused to engage with the system. This is why it was so dangerous at the time, as we can now see clearly with insight after what ultimately happened.

Lori Lightfoot's call to arms is not happening within that context.

Simply looking at the dictionary will enlighten you: "something that makes people want to take action and get involved in an attempt to deal with a bad situation. He issued a call to arms on behalf of the environment."

Using this example from Macmillan Dictionary, no one is gathering firearms to shoot at the wind. What they are doing is paying attention to the issue and challenging the opposition within the scope of the law and political system.

The LGBTQ+ community is simply lawyering up, making noise about upcoming laws, legally protesting and pushing back using the existing political system. This is usually in the form of strongly written letters to representatives.

All of this is not only legal, it is encouraged behavior in the American political system.

In the end, being LGBTQ+ is not a political identity. It is not "leftist" or "rightist". It is simply the way some people are. Some of them extremist on the left while others are extremist on the right. LGBTQ+ individuals are found on the entire spectrum of American politics.

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