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Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by caterpi11ar »

arcticbull wrote: post #117
caterpi11ar wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Bible passage is about God blowing His breath into Adam who was non-biological clay up to that point. It has nothing to do with Adam taking his first breath. Obviously, Adam was never a foetus, nor was he a child, nor a teenager. As according to this passage life starts when you are a full grown man, should we allow abortions into the 108th trimester?

the Old Testament does say you can stone your belligerent child to death outside the city walls if you like (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 [1]) - after all, what is the death penalty if not a very late abortion plus some due diligence? However, more interestingly, do you think you could cite where (a) the Bible forbids abortion or (b) the Bible makes clear that life begins at any point prior to birth? [1] https://www.biblegat…

I have no interest in discussing The Bible further with you given that you blatantly misrepresented a passage and then shifted the goal posts when questioned about it.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by Teknoman117 »

eointierney wrote: post #105

Nope. And I say that as a committed european and general approver of the EU. This is daft and contrary to fundamental human rights but as is so often the case in such matters it points towards the obvious solution. Do not rely on third party services for human rights. In other words self-host. Yes self-hosting is tedious and error-prone. It also means I am the only individual running daft but compliant algorithms on…

Aren't you still subject to these laws even if you're self-hosted?

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by alwayslikethis »

13415 wrote: post #65

How is this law supposed to work with text encryption? Write text, encrypt, copy to clipboard, paste into chat app? Will such encryption applications be prohibited? That seems unenforcable, these apps are everywhere, I've even written one with symmetric encryption myself.

Make it illegal to have them on "app stores" and they will be inaccessible to 95% of the plebs. The remaining who use free software are those who care about privacy and pedos.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by arcticbull »

caterpi11ar wrote: post #131
arcticbull wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the Old Testament does say you can stone your belligerent child to death outside the city walls if you like (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 [1]) - after all, what is the death penalty if not a very late abortion plus some due diligence? However, more interestingly, do you think you could cite where (a) the Bible forbids abortion or (b) the Bible makes clear that life begins at any point prior to birth? [1] https://www.biblegat…

I have no interest in discussing The Bible further with you given that you blatantly misrepresented a passage and then shifted the goal posts when questioned about it.

So that's a no, then. Noted.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by xyzal »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #85

I went three indirections down and I still can't find any actual quotes or even summaries of concrete proposals, so I'm surprised how many people can confidently judge that these unexplained proposals are a dumpster fire solely on the basis that they aim to precent child sexual abuse material... The most specific thing I found was a linked document that laid out three possible legislation options, all in very loose l…

I tried to find the proposal as well, without success.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by alwayslikethis »

HidyBush wrote: post #12

The moment this shit passes is the moment I straight up tell people I will not discuss about anything meaningful in our private online chats and if they want to talk we will have to arrange with proven FOSS tools.

I think there has never been good reason to believe that most proprietary tools are properly encrypted at all. The most common form of this is that while the messages may indeed be end-to-end encrypted, the keys are stored in the cloud, which allows them to be given to the authorities upon request, perhaps secretly.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by 8345570934 »

neither_color wrote: post #59
mildmotive wrote: post #26

These tyrants have to be stopped. A tyrannical government is far more dangerous to people, including children than your regular criminal. Ironically, by giving the state too much power and therefore increasing the symptoms of corruption, we allow the same sort of crimes to be practiced by corrupt state officials with little means for people enact accountability. China, the country with the most mass-surveillance in t…

It's interesting how EU regulators build good will through stunts like mandating USB-C or forcing open the App Store and GDPR protections and then turn around and do stuff like this.

I think the people who support things like mandating USB-C, forcing open the App Store, and GDPR are misguided at best. These are significant transfers of power from the (mostly) organic and consensual realm of individuals and businesses to the coercive realm of state force. You can always buy an android phone (with USB-C) and use GrapheneOS, F-droid, Tutanota, Brave Search, Odysee, Mastodon, Matrix, etc. to get most of what you want without asking unaccountable bureaucracies to enforce your will on everyone else by the threat of violence.

I have a special hatred for GDPR for contributing to balkanization of the internet, and for the annoying cookie warnings that sometimes breaks sites when you disable cookies at the browser level. The only way GDPR actually improves my privacy is by forcing me to use a VPN to access some sites.

Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

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Post by hakre »

fabatka wrote: post #96
reedjosh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Am I just lacking imagination? Yes. The EU is becoming a totalitarian regional government of elites. Originally it wasn't even supposed to have a military presence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_forces_of_the_European... It was supposed to prevent the need of passports. https://www.covidpasscertificate.com/europe-digital-green-pa... All the good things are going out the door and all the bad things are walki…

Thanks for the answer, but I'm wondering more about the mechanism of how the individuals in the EU Commission would benefit from any kind of misuse of this legislation. I get how surveillance can benefit people (edit: I mean benefit those who surveil), but the people who propose this are not who can exercise this power, am I wrong? I just struggle to understand how would this many people conspire to get more power, e…

If one can suggest such a law and perhaps even get it through, it already shows how much power one has usurped.

It is about the doing already, and less about what can be even done afterwards.

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