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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by dorfsmay »

paxys wrote: post #81
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

But Mozilla's revenue and market share went down since the drastic increase in execs' pay. Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company?

The usual counter argument in this type of discussions is that it's Google's fault, because they changed their sponsorship, and there's nothing the execs could do. And then the counter to that is why pay big salaries if there's nothing they can do about revenues. Back to square 0.

I wish Mozilla setup funds for each project like it was done for Thunderbird. Then the execs can be paid from sponsorships etc.. but I personally have stopped to give to Mozilla any money since that change happened.

Re: MDN Plus

#132

Post by geodel »

getcrunk wrote: post #108
paxys wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, good engineering things are not because of execs. Bad engineering things are all because of execs?

Generally, yes. That is the allegation. If you don't agree with that fine, but I'd imagine alot of engineers would agree with that in general with their experience in industry. Let alone Mozilla.

Yes, that would be revelation. Engineers saying engineers are right, doctors saying doctors are right.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by justapassenger »

pc86 wrote: post #71
cnasc wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Mozilla pay their software developers an industry-standard TC?

It looks like Mozilla's average SDE salary is about $120k, so yes. The national median software developer salary is something like $110k. The middle 50% range is like $85-150k, so if you're making above 150k TC you're already in the top 1/4 of developers, who are already very high up in general. I say this because people on HN love to pretend that "industry-standard" means $250k+ for new grads and $400k for experienc…

> FAANG-level salaries (which can absolutely be 300, 400, 500k TC) are the 1% of the 1%.

Mozilla is going against FAANG products like Chrome. Compared to the competition their salaries are tiny.

Re: MDN Plus

#134

Post by Darmody »

scim-knox-twox wrote: post #118
Darmody wrote: post #112

I wish they put some effort into making Firefox better. To me, lately Firefox has been a pain in the ass to use. Regular silent updates that forces me to restart the browser and close all my work. Saving my session doesn't always help to continue working where it was interrupted. The latest change to the downloads is horrible. Sometimes my work requires me to download hundreds of files that I only want to open with s…

I'm using FF only because there are no other options for me (I've tried). I miss old Opera.

Same here.

To me it's starting to feel like Windows several years ago. Features that don't bring anything new to the table but pushes their own agenda.

I've been using linux for years now and I can't be happier but I can't find a replacement to Firefox. FF is so good that even it's being sabotaged it's better than all the alternatives.

Sadly the engineering behind a browser is no joke and I don't think anybody else will create or work on an alternative to Webkit/Blink.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by worik »

piaste wrote: post #94
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

Do you apply the same rigorous standards to all your purchases? Do you refuse to buy a drink or a pair of shoes or a travel ticket unless you can ensure that "not a single cent goes to execs" who get "absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down"? Or do you think the Mozilla execs are _uniquely_ greedy to a degree not comparable to that of the execs of Nestlé, Nike, etc.…

I spend as much of my time, and as many of my resources, as possible away from those horrid greedy bastards.

I know that a lot of people here have fantasies about becoming one of those yada yada ya.... But it is not good. Our system where huge resources go to a self selecting elite and the rest of us are left with the crumbs is going nowhere good and I keep as far out of it as I can.

I do not want to live in a shack in the woods, so I have to engage a bit. But as much as possible and practical, I do not.

Re: MDN Plus

#137

Post by yunohn »

reitanqild wrote: post #44
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

> but I am tempted to pay anyway > Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

Ah, so you aren't going to pay at all. This is just a soapbox to start dissing Mozilla again with the usual tropes.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by Melatonic »

Melatonic wrote: post #9

How useful is this? I have never actually used it

Not sure why I am being downvoted for this - I just legitimately want to know how useful this is and if its worth paying for.....

Re: MDN Plus

#139

Post by BeeKeeper »

nightski wrote: post #10
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

I'll pay. But I kind of wish they were laser focused on just the content and not obligated to deliver useless pay for features.

OpenWebDocs is focused on MDN/CanIUse browser compatability data AND MDN content. Many people who used to work for moz on MDN now work with them. OpenWebDocs.org

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by fleddr »

paxys wrote: post #81
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

Looks like if you do pay market rates, you still get execs running a company into the ground. The high salary comes with the expectation of results.
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