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Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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More obvious choice for an Ubuntu user would be Debian or another direct debian derivative wouldn't it?

I would go for Debian or Gentoo. Or use official PPAs for all the snaps that Canonical is forcing on users.

Not sure official Mozilla PPA is going to ship debs.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I don’t think I’ll ever use ubuntu again. The continued forcing of snap is killing it for me.

Mint is probably a good alternative. It's based on Ubuntu but they don't even allow snap to be installed by default.

It has been a great alternative. And Firefox ESR (it's not in the repo anyway) also works great in 20.3 (and no doubt in LMDE).

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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Native messaging (which I use for my password manager) is broken. Screen sharing is broken. File picking/saving is hit and miss. It takes longer to start. My list of disks in bottom is riddled with random snap mounts. This is what made me switch off ubuntu.

Whoa! That's enough showstoppers for me. Where did you switch to?

When Ubuntu dropped 32-bit support, I relatively easily switched my old 32-bit netbook from Ubuntu to Debian (by changing the sources and some manual fiddling with packages). OTOH, I'm using Fedora on my work computer, just for the fun of it, and I'm really satisfied with it.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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post #133

Native messaging (which I use for my password manager) is broken. Screen sharing is broken. File picking/saving is hit and miss. It takes longer to start. My list of disks in bottom is riddled with random snap mounts. This is what made me switch off ubuntu.

Whoa! That's enough showstoppers for me. Where did you switch to? When Ubuntu dropped 32-bit support, I relatively easily switched my old 32-bit netbook from Ubuntu to Debian (by changing the sources and some manual fiddling with packages). OTOH, I'm using Fedora on my work computer, just for the fun of it, and I'm really satisfied with it.

I generally use arch now because I like tinkering. If I didn't I'd probably use either debian or fedora.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I've been hearing good things about modern Fedora as an alternative "boring" operating system. Maybe now is the time to make the switch.

Switched to Fedora after a few years of hopping from different Ubuntu-based distros and I never looked back. Only problem that's most frustrating is Wayland.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I get the hate against snaps. I tried really hard to give them a chance, but in my experience it’s a generally poor user experience. What I don’t get is why people feel like they need to leave Ubuntu because of it. Flatpak et al. work just as well on Ubuntu as anything else. Simply not using snaps on Ubuntu seems like a simpler solution than abandoning the distro altogether (assuming you don’t distro hop for fun).

>What I don’t get is why people feel like they need to leave Ubuntu because of it Because how would you otherwise end up with 999 different Linux distros? I bet someone already working on the Ubuntu-sans-snap distro (if not already exist)

It's called Linux Mint.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go for Debian or Gentoo. Or use official PPAs for all the snaps that Canonical is forcing on users.

Not sure official Mozilla PPA is going to ship debs.

Makes it easy then, simply ignore Mozilla. It's not like there are no alternatives.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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post #78

I get the hate against snaps. I tried really hard to give them a chance, but in my experience it’s a generally poor user experience. What I don’t get is why people feel like they need to leave Ubuntu because of it. Flatpak et al. work just as well on Ubuntu as anything else. Simply not using snaps on Ubuntu seems like a simpler solution than abandoning the distro altogether (assuming you don’t distro hop for fun).

There is something to be said for leaving a platform if you do not like the direction it seems to be headed in, even if you could compensate for the issues in the short term. Otherwise you might sign up for years of incrementally increasing misery. Once Windows installed updates against their users' preference I switched my main desktop to Linux – this was a significant amount of work but has saved me a lot of frustr…

That’s fair. My experience with Ubuntu is that it’s basically fine for what I need a distro to do. I’d like to stay on this train because at the end of the day I just need my computer to work reliably. Ubuntu is not perfect, but it’s the devil I know. :)

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I've been hearing good things about modern Fedora as an alternative "boring" operating system. Maybe now is the time to make the switch.

More obvious choice for an Ubuntu user would be Debian or another direct debian derivative wouldn't it?

Perhaps, but I use plenty of other Linux distros (at least on servers) for work, so I don't imagine it being a big deal to switch. It's more the inertia stopping me from switching _at all_, rather than any concern about how big the switch would be.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I've been hearing good things about modern Fedora as an alternative "boring" operating system. Maybe now is the time to make the switch.

Question regarding Fedora : I tried it in a docker environment. During some googling to troubleshoot issues, several results were found on the Red Hat commercial support website (so, not accessible). I'm afraid that a good part of advanced/niche documentations and knowledge base for troubleshooting is behind Red Hat commercial support. Is that the case in practice?

I'm a power user and have been using Fedora for over 10 years. I'd highly recommend it, and I don't recall ever getting the feeling that the support/info I needed was gated behind commercial RHEL.
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