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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by SonicScrub »

tablespoon wrote: post #78
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it.…

> The ironic thing is many of the rank-and-file of those people think that distrust gives them greater access to the truth, when in reality it just makes them easier to lie to.

I've had some heated discussions with my father over this. He has a disdain for anything reported by main-stream media, that is at least partially warranted. But he overcorrects to this by accepting the reporting by fringe media outlets / decentralized media figures (podcasters, youtubers, etc) without the same critical lens that he would otherwise apply. If someone says something to the tune of: "the MSM won't report on this because , but we will!", he almost always accepts what they say next. It's very frustrating for me since he will say this line as an automatic "I win this argument" trump card on any idea regardless of the independent merits.

This shouldn't be a bold statement, but I feel like some people need this shouted at them: Just because something is reported on by a main stream media outlet doesn't mean it's automatically true. And conversely just because something is reported on by a main stream media outlet doesn't mean it's automatically false either. Alternative media is perfectly capable of presenting misleading, or false information!

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

yznovyak wrote: post #52
yznovyak wrote: post #29

I've seen a deep fake with Putin "surrendering" on 28th of February: https://youtu.be/ZbudZw1LlHg I guess the video itself was made even earlier than that. The video is not excellent, but the audio is pretty spot on, if you ask me. Edit: re-worded the first sentence.

Give it a couple of years and the tech will spread A LOT.

The tech is already good enough for anyone to make a convincing deepfake, I think, and especially state actors - or people with deep enough wallets - can perfect it. I mean some of the memes of e.g. Obama saying something he never did are convincing enough.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by jonnycomputer »

tablespoon wrote: post #78
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it.…

What I find funny is that the most popular cable news channel--Fox News--is still not the "main stream media".

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by MisterTea »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #89
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

After the Gulf of Tonkin [0] and Nayirah Testimony [1], is it really surprising that people don't believe the mainstream media on war anymore? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

What do either of these incidents have to do with trust in the media? Both incidents were fabrications of the government. In both cases the media was a tool used by government to spread the lies.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by RobertMiller »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #130
RobertMiller wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz

Does it actually matter though? If he was a nazi, and if he engaged in practices from WW2 nazis like putting people into concentration camps, then there would be a case. But it doesn't warrant an unprovoked single-party invasion. We're better than that these days.

The invasion is unwarranted, I would never suggest otherwise.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

replwoacause wrote: post #6

I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.

It doesn't have to be good; there's a lot of people who just skim things, who see this a meter away on a section of a smartphone, or who see a headline without checking the contents.

I mean I like to think of myself as fairly critical and I do this. I'm sure there's a ton of subliminal messages that have established themselves as facts in my head.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by chillage »

hprotagonist wrote: post #67

It’s always a bit of a shock to remember that “photographs lie!” goes back to the very beginning of photography. See this (probably) staged war photograph from 1855 — in Crimea, of all ironic places: https://petapixel.com/2012/10/01/famous-valley-of-the-shadow...

While an interesting investigation, I have to wonder why it took over a decade to think to compare the non cannonball details in the photos to figure out which came earlier..

I guess hindsight is 20-20 but does kind of seem like an obvious place to look, no?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by root_axis »

snek_case wrote: post #62
fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Is this true? I don't see much evidence that the technology is progressing in a direction where models will require less training data, if anything the trend seems to be towards models with higher and higher parameter counts.
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