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iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by beagle3 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #39
smackeyacky wrote: post #14

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

That’s an iPhone 6S; I’ve seen them go for $100, or less with stuff like “battery runs out in 3 mins so must be connected to charger” which should be sufficient if you just develop.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by ulfw »

gman83 wrote: post #57
jjcon wrote: post #44

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If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $100 a year to do so)? Genuinely curious cause I see a lot of people with this sentiment, is it for work related purposes or something? Or testing of web work potentially?

I have some sideproject apps that I built with Flutter that I use on my Android phone, and I would make them available on iOS if I didn't have to pay any money to do so.

But that's exactly the type of thing why iOS apps tend to be of higher quality than Android apps. The whole "I do the bare minimum to support your platform" thing isn't going well with iOS users.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by JonathonW »

mattl wrote: post #104
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #101

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Ogg is unfortunately not a mainstream codec. 10 years ago, SomewhatWellKnownMusicTrackerThatShallNotBeNamed supported Ogg Vorbis. They discontinued support due to lack of interest and seeding (this was before the French authorities raided them and caused the tracker to be shut). To me, when that tracker stopped supporting Ogg, that’s when it died. Even the music nerd pirates thought it wasn’t worth supporting.

As I understand it Vorbis is the codec and Ogg is a container. Vorbis was popular with video game developers who didn’t want to pay for MP3 or MP4 licensing but outside of that nope.

Spotify’s probably the most (only?) prominent Vorbis user out there… but they probably hardly count since everything they distribute gets wrapped up in their proprietary DRM.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by heavyset_go »

mattl wrote: post #95
Ourgon wrote: post #87

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Ability to install a free software distribution, side-load software, run a plethora of Linux apps through Termux, fix the screen if you happen to break it without the thing complaining about "non-genuine parts", build, run and distribute software for the device without needing to pay a third party for the privilege of doing so, hook the thing up to a keyboard and display to use it for real work, install a full firewa…

I’ve yet to see anyone distributing music only in Ogg Vorbis save for some backdoored Spotify thing.

Bandcamp does this for all of their paid and free downloads. They also do FLAC.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by heavyset_go »

mattl wrote: post #104
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ogg is unfortunately not a mainstream codec. 10 years ago, SomewhatWellKnownMusicTrackerThatShallNotBeNamed supported Ogg Vorbis. They discontinued support due to lack of interest and seeding (this was before the French authorities raided them and caused the tracker to be shut). To me, when that tracker stopped supporting Ogg, that’s when it died. Even the music nerd pirates thought it wasn’t worth supporting.

As I understand it Vorbis is the codec and Ogg is a container. Vorbis was popular with video game developers who didn’t want to pay for MP3 or MP4 licensing but outside of that nope.

Yes. Opus "replaced" Vorbis, and has several advantages over older and common formats. Many popular streaming and voice-related apps and platforms use it as codec.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by rosndo »

vulcan01 wrote: post #30
lostgame wrote: post #24

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Curious, would this not apply to Macs and iPads as well? Can you access iMessage just through the Messages app on Mac?

Yes, you can, but only if you are signed into your Apple ID and connected to Wi-Fi. I believe Macs and non-cellular iPads send messages over Wi-Fi to the iMessage servers.

This is so weird, why specifically “Wi-Fi”? Why wouldn’t wired internet or 4G work?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by 0x0 »

lostgame wrote: post #24
0x0 wrote: post #5

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I think you need a valid iPhone serial number to activate iMessage?

Curious, would this not apply to Macs and iPads as well? Can you access iMessage just through the Messages app on Mac?

I think for that case you need a valid mac serial number, too. I think virtualized macOS does not support iMessage either (although googling seems to suggest that you might be able to get it working by copying a valid mac serial number from another device or something. Basically, if you haven't bought a real apple device, you probably won't be able to use iMessage. "Borrowing" your friend's serial number is probably not the smartest idea either.)

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by simion314 »

kingcharles wrote: post #111
chrismorgan wrote: post #58

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For myself, it’s mostly web stuff with Safari and Safari on iOS that I’d really like to be able to test from time to time.

There's a ton of companies out there who have real iPhones, iPads etc you can rent by the minute through a web browser to test your code or web sites. i.e. https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-iphone I'm just trying to find the one I use to test my emoji stuff, since Safari is the only one that displays emoji domains correctly.

Browser stack did not had the betas or the just released Safari versions, we had to depend on someone in our team risking upgrading to latest OSX to be able to debug with just released Safari that broke WebGL on desktop too. We do not target mobile users, we are fixing any bugs reported for Safari that are our code , but we only daily test with Firefox and Chrome because the developers and testers are using Windows or Linux(the team is in Europe)

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by kaba0 »

Ourgon wrote: post #87
fouc wrote: post #76

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For Canada, it looks to be hard to acquire a used one for less than $250-280 CAD. So about $200-$220 USD. Still a solid choice. I find it hard to imagine there's any android phone that can beat this phone for the same price (used or not!), OS support, camera quality, speaker quality, CPU speed & task switching speed, overall responsiveness, etc.

Ability to install a free software distribution, side-load software, run a plethora of Linux apps through Termux, fix the screen if you happen to break it without the thing complaining about "non-genuine parts", build, run and distribute software for the device without needing to pay a third party for the privilege of doing so, hook the thing up to a keyboard and display to use it for real work, install a full firewa…

I would change (back) to android in a heartbeat if the hardware was actually on-pair and I knew that I don’t have to basically throw away my phone in a few years.

I almost went with the new pixels as that is one of the few android phones actually having a non-locked bootloader (to not have to deal with Google’s privacy violations on my probably most used device), but the many bugs and hardware issues I heard about (plus the terrible support!), as well as not having it sold in my country made me stay with apple, even though GrapheneOS is a spectacular project I wanted to use.

So don’t make it seem like a trivial choice - the fact is, we have basically only 2 options and both suck for different reasons. (Unfortunately, the third one of linux phones are not truly usable as of now)

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by Findecanor »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #64

Does this emulate the Secure Enclave?

Banking apps in my country don't even use the secure enclave, so for emulating those, it does not even matter.

I'm just waiting for hearing about massive attacks on them, and large number of bank accounts having been wiped.

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