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Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #121
irrational wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s like paying a subscription to BMW for the seat warmers in your car because they provide value to you.

I don't expect you to care, but wow I'm tired of car analogies. They're usually worse than simply talking about the subject at hand. It's not at all like that. I pay a one-time fee to BMW to get a seat warmer feature, they're not constantly improving or updating them in my car. They're in my car and they're on or off. If they break and I value them, I pay to have them fixed. MDN is updated often and I it makes my job…

> It's not at all like that. I pay a one-time fee to BMW to get a seat warmer feature, they're not constantly improving or updating them in my car.

No, the idea was to have all the cars equipped with seat warmers, but the software in the car would only allow you to turn them on if you paid a subscription: https://www.businessinsider.com/bmw-subscription-model-for-f...

I haven't heard anything about it since, so I assume BMW eventually realized just how retarded the idea was.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by booleandilemma »

Nextgrid wrote: post #123
JSdev1 wrote: post #17

What's up with the huge amount of whitespace? This is supposed to be an information dense website, most of the screen is empty white. Not liking this, who designs this stuff? How to revert back, or I just need to add custom styles? Update: I added custom styles to remove 95% of the extra margins, padding, spacing, line-height, updated h1/h2/h3/h4 header styling, code highlight styling, and it looks 10 times better, I…

> Why do these important sites never get actual user feedback before forcing out a major update as a big "surprise" ? The people behind the redesign do so for career, resume & portfolio reasons - they are very unlikely to ever use MDN themselves so they don't care and don't see the problem. You can't rely on user feedback because there's a very high risk users will tell you everything is fine and there's no need for…

So...they should change their tagline to: Resources for Developers, by UI Designers

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by layer8 »

When will Mozilla ever stop wasting their (and their users) time and money on redesigns? (Sorry, had to get that out.)

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by [deleted] »

sheriffderek wrote: post #124

Is there anything positive about this? How will setting all of the type close and closer to the same size, removing any any contrast for visual hierarchy, adding muddy zeros, removing any unique character, removing any syntax highlighting differentiation, removing any visual anchors, removing underlines on inline code with links, having nothing to visually reign in rags, adding more space around just - everything, sm…

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Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by ahelwer »

Is there a way to collapse the table of contents sidebar like in the old version? I read documentation pages like this on a vertical monitor (which is usually great!), and the sidebar on the new site takes up a full third of horizontal space.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

hinkley wrote: post #125
romellem wrote: post #30

Change is hard, naturally there will be some inherent backlash, but one thing I think is a step backwards is the Browser Compatibility table at the bottom. Previously, it had the browser version inline for the cell, now it is just a check mark. To see what version, you need to click on the cell to expand some "more info" section at the bottom. Knowing if a feature was very recently supported or has been supported for…

There's some bullshit software on my work machine that is supposed to make it so that we don't need local admin. As if that has ever worked in the past. Upshot is that Firefox would upgrade, but forget my profile every time. That took months to sort out. Chrome simply won't update at all. Neither will Jetbrains tools, Docker desktop, you name it. You can try to make everyone upgrade to the latest browser all you want…

Not just this, but mozilla also supports ESR versions, where you basically get all the security patches but your browser can be almost 10 versions behind the newest release, so even with regular updates, with ESR, you'll be behind on newest features.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cyc...

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by seumars »

Eduard wrote: post #76

Is there a way to select the old design? There is too much space in the new design for my taste. Update: https://github.com/mdn/yari/issues/5364

Almost definitely not. But holy cow that codebase is a mess.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by ricardobeat »

Strilanc wrote: post #70

Comparing the old version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210302090607/https://developer... to the new version: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/di... I notice that they: - Reduced horizontal space allocated to content - Reduced contrast (eg. code blocks have lighter gray background, compatibility table is no longer color coded) - Increased the amount of things that don't render if you disable…

The reduced contrast is not great, but I find the more compact layout pleasing.

The old one is very busy with color, borders and backgrounds occupying that white space, this is more in line with what you expect a reference book should look like, and will not tire you out after looking at it for hours.

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