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Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by xanaxagoras »

atlantas wrote: post #121
aantix wrote: post #34

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It depends on your expectations - do you assume that the software will be maintained indefinitely with security fixes, bug fixes, features, etc?

I bought Minecraft for $19.99 a decade ago and it's still being updated. Also there are lots of SaaS products that have died in that time. A subscription isn't a guarantee that it'll last.

> A subscription isn't a guarantee that it'll last.

It's practically a guarantee that it won't. The whole business model reeks of VC types fantasizing about recurring revenues. These startups are a dime a dozen, they rise and recede on a daily basis.

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by bachmeier »

mbesto wrote: post #97
ppeetteerr wrote: post #88

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I would expect any software to come with security fixes, and bug fixes, even after purchase, even when I don't pay for a recurring fee.

> I would expect any software to come with security fixes, and bug fixes, even after purchase, even when I don't pay for a recurring fee. So let me get this straight. You expect to pay for anything that naturally requires maintenance just once and then expect an unlimited amount of maintenance (i.e. cost for that provider) in perpetuity? Think about that for a second and then explain to me why any business would ever…

> You expect to pay for anything that naturally requires maintenance just once and then expect an unlimited amount of maintenance (i.e. cost for that provider) in perpetuity? Think about that for a second and then explain to me why any business would ever offer such a thing.

I'm getting slow in my old age, but Microsoft Windows came to mind in less than a second.

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by j2bax »

toss1 wrote: post #38
aantix wrote: post #34

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It depends on your expectations - do you assume that the software will be maintained indefinitely with security fixes, bug fixes, features, etc?

Considering that Steve Ballmer once pointed out that "revving software is insanely profitable", there is no reason that companies couldn't use the model of selling new revisions every year or so, which the users are free to purchase upgrades or skip. It also provides a better incentive to write better software (so the users don't skip more revs). The only reason to not do this is that subscriptions are even more prof…

Or you could look at it as the better software they write, the longer a user may go between revs... Thinking about how long our agency used Adobe CS2... Unless you are just referring to flashy features, which I fear would not ultimately always be about improving the product. The less sexy stuff is probably where I'd rather the developers focus if the feature set is already solid.

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by mbesto »

bachmeier wrote: post #133
mbesto wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would expect any software to come with security fixes, and bug fixes, even after purchase, even when I don't pay for a recurring fee. So let me get this straight. You expect to pay for anything that naturally requires maintenance just once and then expect an unlimited amount of maintenance (i.e. cost for that provider) in perpetuity? Think about that for a second and then explain to me why any business would ever…

> You expect to pay for anything that naturally requires maintenance just once and then expect an unlimited amount of maintenance (i.e. cost for that provider) in perpetuity? Think about that for a second and then explain to me why any business would ever offer such a thing. I'm getting slow in my old age, but Microsoft Windows came to mind in less than a second.

"or support cycles tied to version support."

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by mbesto »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #107
mbesto wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would expect any software to come with security fixes, and bug fixes, even after purchase, even when I don't pay for a recurring fee. So let me get this straight. You expect to pay for anything that naturally requires maintenance just once and then expect an unlimited amount of maintenance (i.e. cost for that provider) in perpetuity? Think about that for a second and then explain to me why any business would ever…

Yes, that's how it used to work. When you bought an operating system, you received support for that product for multiple years. Similarly, in the pre-cloud office days, you would still receive updates to your software after the purchase. It's still the case with video games.

"or support cycles tied to version support."

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by ydant »

poxrud wrote: post #100
ydant wrote: post #58

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In the past year I've been on a journey of note-taking / personal knowledgebase: - Trillium Notes [0] - Joplin [1] - others I can't remember - Obsidian [2] - Emacs/org-mode - Logseq [3] - and now back to Obsidian again Logseq was really promising in concept - pulls a lot of cool concepts in from the others and supports org files. But I found it to be incredibly slow and laggy with my existing mixed org/markdown files…

Logseq used to be unbearably slow, especially when using a large md file. However one of the updates completely fixed all of my performance issues. I'd suggest giving it another try.

Unfortunately, I'm speaking from trying it last week.

I do have some large org files that may be causing problems for both it and Emacs/org-mode, though, so I'll give it another shot once I've converted those all into a more Markdown friendly mode.

I do love some of the concepts that it and org-mode have towards nesting of content, and that's one thing Obsidian doesn't really embrace in the same way.

Re: Show HN: Supernotes 2 – a fast, Markdown notes app for journalling and sharing

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Post by reitanqild »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #129
reitanqild wrote: post #116

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Sorry, this is the day when I decided to start downvoting people who demand E2E-encryption from things that obviously don't need it. At this point I am just fed up, but to be constructive: - E2E-encryption is a seriously nice property. If it was free and simple we should use it everywhere. - Picking on nice things that absolutely doesn't need E2E-encryption however is just counterproductive, and most people who do so…

I gave him an upvote to balance your vote out. Luckily we vote on these products with our money. It is absolutely insane to me that you would even suggest that a repository for my most private thoughts "obviously" doesn't need to be private for my eyes only.

Totally fine. Note however that this isn't marketed as a place for anyones most private thoughts, it is right there in the announcement:

> unique collaboration system that is optimized for granular sharing between individuals rather than "all-in" sharing amongst teams or specific groups

Such applications has their place and for what you know I might be using them myself, but don't for a second believe that any web application with sharing possibilities are a place for anyones most private thoughts.

If you did think so until today, take my advice and clean up everything that can get you in hot water.

Someone funny once said: "what happens on the internet stays on the internet, forever". This is worth reminding oneselves about.

Edit: if one needs sync and security one can maybe use something like Joplin which supports encryption. I haven't verified neither the crypto nor the general codebase nor if it can autoupdate. I'm just saying it might be possible as an individual to sync sensitive data somewhat securely like people think they do with online services but if you are at a level where E2EE is necessary and where government agencies or basically (in my opinion) anything more than snooping kids or coworkers enters the picture, my advice is to forget about web applications.

To avoid doing what I despise when others do, when they basically say "if you don't do everything correct you can just give up": That does not mean you necessarily have to give up your current solution:

Just be realistic about what threat models it can hold up against.

Edit 2: (as said elsewhere) E2E-encryption is seriously nice and I can pay a premium for it even if I don't feel I need it. Just know what it helps against. And don't tell others that everything else is trash and unusable (but feel free to tell them what the risks are and how to protect oneselves).

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