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I'm only aware of a small subset of laws existing in Europe, but every single example of restrictions to face hiding I can think of predates Muslim presence by many decades. No, those are not driven by fear of people wearing burkas.
'predates Muslim presence by several decades'? When exactly do you think 'Muslims appeared' in Europe?
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Might seem meta but by bringing this up you nailed it. This uncovers the pattern in use. The favorite trick for population behavior design. If social engineers exists, then this is the technique they are advising the ones in power to use the most.
"Not having cholera" is also social engineering. And real physical engineering. Insisting that people drive on only one side of the road is population behavior design. Like everything from firearms to nuclear weapons to face recognition, the questions should focus on who is using the power, for what purposes, how they are held accountable, and so on. Yes, the anti-COVID measures are social engineering. They're trying…
2. What's your way of deciding that someone in power is good enough for defining how you have to behave?
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I'm only aware of a small subset of laws existing in Europe, but every single example of restrictions to face hiding I can think of predates Muslim presence by many decades. No, those are not driven by fear of people wearing burkas.
Netherlands 2019 https://www.government.nl/topics/ban-on-face-coverings-refer... France 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering Denmark 2018 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-bans-full-face-veils-in-public... Austria 2017 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41457427 etc
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A few countries in Europe ban face coverings in public. Mainly driven by fear of people wearing burkas.
I'm only aware of a small subset of laws existing in Europe, but every single example of restrictions to face hiding I can think of predates Muslim presence by many decades. No, those are not driven by fear of people wearing burkas.
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>This logic is so clearly flawed. I think you are imagining an argument that nobody here is making. > I’ve seen anti-vaxxers and freedom convoy members make this mistake quite often recently. Ah, yep. What possible good could come out of you bringing up these groups? Why would you bring up discredited extremist points of view in this conversation? Are you trying to attack my character by implying that I might be asso…
Yes, words matter. By intentionally using loaded words like “ruined” and “fearmongering”, I think you know exactly what message you’re trying to send.
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> think a problem with statistical deaths is that deaths can be double counted. Anyone worth a crap uses some sort of time based metric for loss of life. Wheezing into the grave at 80 instead of 81 is very different than dropping dead a 20 and these sorts of metrics are meant to reflect that. But those metrics don't get you big numbers with lots of digits in front of the decimal that get your article publishes, poste…
So, there are quite a few well known metrics for this in the public health world * Years of Life Lost (YLL) * Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALY) * Quality Adjusted Life Years (QALY) They are calculated in an interesting way that is open for arguing and interpretation, but it provides a good baseline for the ability to compare them. As for the double counting, this is in fact a real problem, as a lot of health prob…
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So, there are quite a few well known metrics for this in the public health world * Years of Life Lost (YLL) * Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALY) * Quality Adjusted Life Years (QALY) They are calculated in an interesting way that is open for arguing and interpretation, but it provides a good baseline for the ability to compare them. As for the double counting, this is in fact a real problem, as a lot of health prob…
This would have been a useful comment two years ago as well. Perhaps that it is not consistently used or applied is a problem?
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So, there are quite a few well known metrics for this in the public health world * Years of Life Lost (YLL) * Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALY) * Quality Adjusted Life Years (QALY) They are calculated in an interesting way that is open for arguing and interpretation, but it provides a good baseline for the ability to compare them. As for the double counting, this is in fact a real problem, as a lot of health prob…
This would have been a useful comment two years ago as well. Perhaps that it is not consistently used or applied is a problem?
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I am not sure how many man-years would have been lost if nobody had done anything regarding COVID.
We will never know since we can't measure the magnitude of an outcome that never happened. Adverse effects from fearmongering, however, did happen.