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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by goblin89 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #106
goblin89 wrote: post #84

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> A store cannot dictate how much you charge for a product at a different retailer Isn’t this exactly what is happening everywhere you see “we price match!” or “low price guarantee”? Platforms can and do require sellers to provide the lowest price, and take whatever measures including offing violators from the platform if this means they suffer losses every time a buyer does their research. Not even mentioning exclus…

Nitpick: "We price match" is a store voluntarily taking a price cut for their customers. The other store "dictates" the price, but the first one can always end the sale if they wish.

Wouldn’t this open such a platform to scams where a friend of the seller gets discounts by pointing to seller’s site with super-low prices?

I’m not saying they do not take a cut voluntarily, but they must take measures if this happens too often with a particular seller.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by disgu »

I'm probably in the minority here but I'm at a point where I'll simply not purchase any service if I cannot use the in app form of payment. I'm just done with everything else. If I miss out on something then so be it.

Have you ever bought an Adobe subscription, ever tried to cancel a New York Times subscription? Or Audible where they say "Well, you can cancel but then we'll also take the tokens you've already paid for"? It's completely ridiculous.

I'm so sick of 14,000 variations on cancelling things, having to click through menus, five hundred different things I have to take care of and all that crap. On iOS I can cancel anything and everything - without exception - the same way and in a few clicks. I like that and it's just something I got used to.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by criddell »

breakfastduck wrote: post #107
criddell wrote: post #105

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Is there a technical reason third part payments cannot co-exist with the requirement that subscriptions register with the iOS subscription manager?

There's no technical reason. But why would anyone use it if apple didn't require it? That's a loss to me as a consumer.

It’s the exact opposite for me. I don’t care what payment processor I use but I 100% want the ability to cancel any subscriptions with a single click from the control panel.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by notyourday »

scarface74 wrote: post #103
notyourday wrote: post #49

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Netherlands should respond with passing a law that any platform company that does that is subject to a 97% tax on the revenue generated via platform stores, payable 5 years in advance with the overpayments refunded at the end of the tax year. When a company goes to war with the government, the company always loses. It is time for Cook to learn it. He is under a delusion that he is god.

The Netherlands population is a little more than half of Texas’s population. Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect.

Nah, Apple would never pull out of a country. If it does that in Netherlands, the next country is going to do the same..

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by alistairSH »

jeroenhd wrote: post #126
alistairSH wrote: post #68

Meh, mixed feelings about this. I like Apple's payment system. It works, it's consistent, I can cancel things from a single menu. There are real benefits to me, the consumer, to using Apple's system. On the flip side, other payment systems can be a hodgepodge of unsecured, user hostile (cancellations), and inconsistent. There can be real negatives to using other systems. More so some systems that don't have a consist…

The thing is, you don't _have_ to buy things through a third party and you don't _have_ to buy anything if you don't like the payment processor. The market will correct itself when shitty applications with shitty UX don't get any sales, unless it turns most customers don't care and people like you are the minority. In a perfect world, there'd be a "pay with Apple Pay (€2,60)" button right next to the "pay with iDeal…

100% agreement on their 30% cut. I was speaking strictly from the consumer's perspective, assuming they would never be shown two different prices.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by causi »

dessant wrote: post #67
Diggsey wrote: post #53

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Apple can and does do this.

Products on the App Store can be sold at a different price, companies often do this to recoup some of that 30% App Store commission. Edit: this is a fact, though feel free to downvote. Apple tries to hide this from the user by not letting publishers mention that the app or service is cheaper when purchased outside of the App Store or Mac App Store.

I must be misunderstanding this. Since Apple doesn't support sideloading, how is any product offered both on the App Store and somewhere else, let alone for a different price?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by Grustaf »

Drew_ wrote: post #113
Grustaf wrote: post #69

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Perhaps the 27% is a troll, but the warning screen is 100% in line with how they always do things. Just like when you run an executable on your mac that you downloaded from the internet, they warn you and ask you if you really want to open it. That's not about money, it's about making it clear to users what they are about to do, so they don't have a bad experience and are put off Apple products.

Pretty sure in MacOS you just need to flip a toggle once and it'll never prompt you about sideloading again.

Perhaps, but the point was that they do this even when it's not about taking a cut.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by makerofthings »

jamil7 wrote: post #91
makerofthings wrote: post #77

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I think this is great, too. I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built would just go buy an Android phone and leave it alone. If you don’t like the AppStore, don’t buy an iPhone.

> I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built It wasn't just Apple though, the value of their platforms is greatly reduced without the work of third-party developers (probably many of whom are on HN) that build software for them.

I also have applications in the AppStore (x2). I knew what I was getting into when I built them. Apple are very clear about their pricing and value. If I had to drop either my iOS or Android apps then I would drop the Android apps in a heartbeat, supporting them is a headache.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by bogwog »

jamil7 wrote: post #37
huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

They also don't provide a view controller or something you can present to display the warning as they do with other things like this, you have to build the view yourself according to their silly specs... Phil Schiller needs to go.

Replacing execs won’t solve this. Even if you put someone in place that isn’t an asshole, they’re still accountable to Apple shareholders and need to act in the interests of the company. If they don’t, they’ll just be fired (or maybe even sued for violating their fiduciary duties or something like that)

Stuff like this is in the interests of the company. The only way to prevent it is for regulators to make it no longer in their best interests.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by rpadovani »

scarface74 wrote: post #103
notyourday wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netherlands should respond with passing a law that any platform company that does that is subject to a 97% tax on the revenue generated via platform stores, payable 5 years in advance with the overpayments refunded at the end of the tax year. When a company goes to war with the government, the company always loses. It is time for Cook to learn it. He is under a delusion that he is god.

The Netherlands population is a little more than half of Texas’s population. Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect.

Except they cannot. If you have an EU point of sale, you cannot deny service to any EU citizen based on nationality.

So, they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands, but given how close is any Dutch to another EU state, I don't see it as a problem for purchasing a phone.

Apple will sustain that, given the phone wasn't bought in the Netherlands, they are not subject to their laws. Good luck with that.

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