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GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

> unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business So every protest that has ever happened ? If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded. It is easy to dismiss the protestors because the reason for the protests sounds unimportant within our peer groups. However, a Democ…

> So every protest that has ever happened ?

Ottawa, being the capital, gets two types of protests. The legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance, and the police shut down the streets while the protest occurs. It's sort of like a parade. It's inconvenient and annoying, but no single street gets shut down for more than a couple of hours.

And it's not just the agreeable protests that get permits. They pretty much have to give a permit to anybody who asks for one.

For the illegal protests like the G20 occupation and when the indigenous people blocked a freeway exit, the police come in fast and hard.

> If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded.

Not in Canada.

edit: there's a third type of protest, the small ones. You're welcome to stand on the sidewalk with a sign and yell as long as you don't interfere with anybody.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Swastikas flag were seen at the protest. Also very far-right and nazis groups have joined the protest and were close to the organizers https://www.antihate.ca/the_freedom_convoy_is_nothing_but_a_...

There are many people of different colours at the protests. Do you paint them as nazi because someone had a flag? I saw a flag from Norway, is Norway suddenly behind this?

If you're a member of a group and that group pulls out a Nazi flag, do you leave the group or do you expect random passers-by to think for a moment that maybe you aren't a Nazi sympathizer?

"Oh, everyone knows ipaddr! He hangs out with a bunch of Nazis that protest to entrench "born white" as the de facto ruling class of the country, kill all the gays and trans people, and to have two separate sets of laws, one that only applies to them, and one that applies to everyone else, but he's sweet as can be!"

No one is going to waste the brain power.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

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Yeah, seriously. What is up with all that tar sand oil ruining our environment from Canada? Build your own pipelines and don’t ruin our tribal land down south, please.

You realize that without that pipeline they ship it by truck which is much worse for the environment. Without demand it wouldn't be sold to the US.

Yeah, but general damage to the environment is better than destroying a specific group of people's homeland. Oil pipelines leak frequently. An oil leak in some tribal lands could poison the water and make the tribal lands unlivable for years.

Why is that less of a concern than the environment as a whole?

It's no more right to justify that than it would be to justify putting all of the country's debt on a single person or taking all of the pollution in the atmosphere but smothering individual children with it so that everyone else can breathe freely.

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It's not as if everyone who committed crimes while those 2020 protests were going on got away with it. They did arrest people. And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum. They often didn't have anything to do with the protests, and were just taking advantage of the police being busy.

> And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum. I beg to differ. Any attempts to contain the mass violence were decried as "Trumpist fascism".

And you believe every single liberal agrees with that idea? You're just holding up a minority opinion and smearing the rest with it.

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No, I tried to make my comment thoughtful and hoped someone would want to engage with it so maybe we could learn something.

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What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi?

What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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These truckers (and most antivaxxers) somehow think they're as stigmatized as the Jews were during WWII so they often wear yellow stars, compare themselves to Anne Frank, and have signs with the SS moniker / draw swastikas over the flags to demonstrate how oppressed they are.. a few made it on TV while the MP was talking to the news crews. Whenever there's anything remotely anti-government the Gadsen/Confederate batt…

Small nit-pick, it is disingenuous to write “Gadsen/Confederate” flag when those are two totally separate things. The Gadsen flag for most people is a symbol of independence and freedom. Historically it was not associated with slavery, the confederate secession, or the civil war.

99% of the Gadsden flags in my area are flying alongside confederate flags — likewise most of them in the protest pics I’ve seen. I know the flag’s history predates the Civil War and that it once upon a time was devoid of the current undertones, but alas, it’s (IMO) irredeemably tainted.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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It baffles me why people continue to judge movements they don't like based on their worst members and movements they do like based on their best intentions. I don't agree with their position but most of the truckers aren't Nazis any more than most BLM participants were looters.

If the group you're in pulls out Nazi flags and you don't leave the group, then you're endorsing Nazism the same as if your group starts to break into a house and you don't leave the group then you're an accessory to breaking into a house. It's very basic stuff here.

If one person pulls a Nazi flag or throws stones at riot cops, he is an agitator and must be outed. Throwing your hands up and leaving will leave you running circles, and is not very mature.
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