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Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by travisjungroth »

xattt wrote: post #116
mettamage wrote: post #33

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A couple of things worked on there for me as well, but the biggest one for me personally is 0.3mg of melatonin I started with 3mg, way too much, went to 1.5mg, still too much. Then did 0.7mg, that was fine but still some small side effects. Then 0.4mg that was fine. Then 0.2mg, that didn't work. Then I did 0.3mg and it seemed to be the sweet spot. I can just barely perceive it working and it is just enough to make me…

Most melatonin tablets are available in 3 mg formulation. What sort of microtome are you using for dosing?

A few companies make 300mcg. Sundown Naturals is one.

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Post by freen »

medo-bear wrote: post #86
Guest42 wrote: post #81

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Same, I’ve heard that red berries work well in general. I’ve used raspberries but will have to try the sour cherries. Not sure the science behind it but I’ve noticed a difference.

well sour cherries contain melatonin. apparently non-pealed kiwi fruit is good too ... but id rather not sleep than eat that

For what it’s worth, kiwi skin is delicious. Tried it once, and now would rather have an unpeeled kiwi.

Just my $0.02.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by Talanes »

nickjj wrote: post #98
hashimotonomora wrote: post #34

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It may seem paradoxical but also not worrying about sleep itself, not writing down lists, not trying to dissect and optimize sleep, may actually improve your sleep much more. Animals have slept and evolved for literally millions of years. Unless there’s an actual clinical condition, having faith in your own body and just relaxing should be enough. At least that’s my case.

> just relaxing should be enough. At least that’s my case. Yep, this is a very important one. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty good ability to fall asleep and generally wake up feeling rested. Most nights I'll wrap up with a movie and often times I'll fall asleep in what feels like about 10 minutes after I decide "ok, I'm going to sleep now". I believe this is very tied into not feeling like I must wake up…

>But without the pressure of having to be up on a schedule, 99.99% of the time if I went to bed at 11pm I'll be up at about 6:30am or 7am without an alarm and feel good about it.

For me it's even a step further, because with no set schedule I'm more likely to fall asleep at 9 than at 11.

The schedule anxiety can creep into the morning if I have more time than I strictly need, which leads to my sleep schedule being mostly a (semi)subconcious attempt to minimize excess morning time.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by Talanes »

medo-bear wrote: post #86
Guest42 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, I’ve heard that red berries work well in general. I’ve used raspberries but will have to try the sour cherries. Not sure the science behind it but I’ve noticed a difference.

well sour cherries contain melatonin. apparently non-pealed kiwi fruit is good too ... but id rather not sleep than eat that

Kiwi skin is good, the contact point of the fruit and skin is an amazing tart flavor. A semi-aggressive wash can get a lot of the "hair" off the outside if the texture is what puts you off.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by rewgs »

nickjj wrote: post #98
hashimotonomora wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may seem paradoxical but also not worrying about sleep itself, not writing down lists, not trying to dissect and optimize sleep, may actually improve your sleep much more. Animals have slept and evolved for literally millions of years. Unless there’s an actual clinical condition, having faith in your own body and just relaxing should be enough. At least that’s my case.

> just relaxing should be enough. At least that’s my case. Yep, this is a very important one. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty good ability to fall asleep and generally wake up feeling rested. Most nights I'll wrap up with a movie and often times I'll fall asleep in what feels like about 10 minutes after I decide "ok, I'm going to sleep now". I believe this is very tied into not feeling like I must wake up…

> Any time where something comes up and I "must" be up at an early hour with alarm it affects my ability to fall asleep the night before. Usually the more important the thing is the harder it will be to fall asleep. Like ensuring I'm up to catch a flight or anything with a hard line on the time.

Yup, this is me. It's one of the driving reasons why I've endeavored to not have to wake up at any particular time most days. Paradoxically, I wake up earlier.

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Post by thamer »

pkoird wrote: post #123
0xcde4c3db wrote: post #76

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> Isn't modafinil a stimulant? It's... stimulant-ish? Nobody seems to know exactly how it works.

Can you even get that without a prescription?

The answer is "yes"… from online pharmacies that ship it from India. Whether you get the real product or a counterfeit version is anyone's guess.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by unmole »

thamer wrote: post #137
pkoird wrote: post #123

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Can you even get that without a prescription?

The answer is "yes"… from online pharmacies that ship it from India. Whether you get the real product or a counterfeit version is anyone's guess.

It seems to legally retail at 0.25 USD per pill: https://www.1mg.com/drugs/modalert-100-tablet-19037

I assume online pharmacies sell at a heavy markup. It hardly seems like counterfeiting would be worth the effort.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by jasfi »

I've been trying mental math. It seems to work quite well. Unlike reading you don't have to get up or put on a light. As I get more tired I fall back to very easy ones, like the times table.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

sofixa wrote: post #121
mikenew wrote: post #15

I've struggled with sleep for as long as I can remember. I have improved it considerably in the past year (still not perfect). Out of the dozens upon dozens of things I've tried, here's what I think made the most difference, in order of importance. 1. Very consistent bedtime and wake up time. +/- 30 minutes, but ideally less. Obviously if you struggle with sleep you can't count on falling asleep at the same time, but…

> Breathe through your nose. It can be hard at first but it gets easier over time I'm stumped here. Isn't that the normal way to breathe? Why would it be hard, unless you have some medical condition like sleep apnea, which requires treatment in itself?

I had chronic allergies growing up, so my nose was ALWAYS stuffed up and I had to breathe through my mouth. When I moved somewhere where my allergies weren't as severe, it took me years of conscious effort to breathe through my nose by default. Sometimes I still catch myself breathing through my mouth!
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