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The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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I remember not getting dubstep (also derived from dub before it’s export to the US and commercialization) because I was listening to it on my PC speakers. When I finally played it through my hifi it was like a whole sonic landscape suddenly appeared and only then did I finally get it.

Quick note to those that were potentially triggered when they read "dubstep"... Early dubstep was based on two-step and garage music, while at the same time heavily based on dub and reggae. Digital Mystikz - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9H3i0T1iN4 Spaceape - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfyRjyKj05I Goth Trad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12dJbE_xxw Listen to some of the early dubstep and you'll start to u…

I don’t care what anyone says about it being “trendy” or whatever, Skrillex album Bangarang is one of my absolute favorites listened to extremely loud like in a car with a lot of bass. It just gives me tingles.

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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Now we're just left wondering what's a "sleng teng". Teng is maybe "thing", so we're left with what's "sleng". Searching for it I'm corrected to "slang", and if I force "sleng" then all I can find is the song itself.

It's just a euphemism for marijuana. "Unda mi sleng teng" is being under the influence of marijuana.

Lots of reggae/ragga is slang for ganja.

But not all. So quite offtopic, but it reminds me of a related topic, but not as funny or peaceful.

In my youth, this song was popular in the clubs we went

TOK - chi chi man

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrhfXjIEvY

We loved it. Very energetic. (my body still wants to dance hearing that riddim)

It was much later, that I learned, what "chi chi man" and "bun them" means.

Burn the homosexuals.

To which the artists say, it is only meant in a metaphorical, spiritual fire. Burn the filthy, gay thoughts. But since gay people get murdered and burned for real in jamaica, I cannot really enjoy it anymore.

(but I did enjoy the dark humor a bit, witnessing real homosexuals sing and dance to that song, while still being ignorant of its meaning)

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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We all do, including you. It feels like you want to make a point and I feel like I know what it is, but I could be wrong.

Yes, I suspect we know each other's points already, but I always am curious about how this particular element of the topic is defined by adherents of the group-to-which-I-don't-belong. If we both define what's appropriate, and our definitions don't match, how should that disagreement be settled?

First of all, just to make sure we're on the same page about maybe one single thing, I don't think anybody thinks the subject of the linked article is cultural appropriation. I sure don't.

Ultimately everything is somewhat of consensus in society, right? I mean, even near-universal truths like "murder is generally bad" or "helping your neighbors is good" are just sort of things most societies kind of agree on.

Sometimes those consensuses (consensi?) change over time. Marijuana was legal for centuries, and then it wasn't, and now it kind of is again.

Sometimes the consensus is crap. In a lot of places there used to be a societal consensus that marrying your 13 year old cousin, or stoning religious heretics to death was cool.

If you've really done the work, and really explored why the groups affected by cultural appropriation think it's kind of a shitty thing to do, and you really just think they're just being crybabies or liars, and you're making an informed decision to disagree then, hey, cool.

Might not agree with you but if everybody put that much thought into things the world would be a better place.

    how should that disagreement be settled
When it comes to an issue like this, maybe weigh the cost of giving a care about it vs. the cost of not giving a care about it.

Example: suppose I like to use slur XYZ because it's funny to me, and I think humor is a great way to bridge the gaps between people, and it would be better if we all decided to simply not let words hurt us. (I actually do feel that way!)

But a lot of people from group ABC feel like it's pretty crappy for me to use XYZ.

I could just simply think they're being oversensitive, and keep saying XYZ but like... is using XYZ really that important to me? It's pretty easy for me to stop using a word. That's a pretty small cost. If it might do some good, or at least make somebody else's day better, fuck it. I'm generally happy to pay that small cost.

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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What resistance was against it?

Racism and segregation for starters, there were also huge immigration hurdles for many artists from the Caribbean islands, many artists had health care related problems on the islands, tropical storms, economic depressions, governmental corruption, music equipment and resources were very expensive (because they had to be imported), and financing and funding for everything is a challenge citing that no other major mus…

Not reggae, but I suppose that makes William Onyeabor's starting his own pressing plant all the more impressive.

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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As a musician that also does IT work, the part where copyright/law suit was mentioned troubled me a bit... Artists aren't profiting massively from sampling. Even from making music in general. Actually, most artists don't get paid at all when uncleared samples are involved, and especially because of the predatory system of music publication. The ideal like they are the ones who should be sued worries me about a wrong…

Sounds like Casio understand and have no problem with people using their samples.

But consider it from a very basic level - pressing a key and getting a 440Hz A is a sample - you can't practically stop people from recording notes - where does that stop if other more complex samples are stored in a keyboard?

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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This is a beautiful example of why people shouldn't be too quick to tag cultural borrowings as "appropriation." They often result in a back-and-forth cross-pollination that bears novel hybrid fruit we can all enjoy.

I don't buy that using a default demo sample from an electronic keyboard could ever count as cultural appropriation. Even in the most extreme case, the 'rock' sample in question that Casio offered up would ostensibly trace its roots to afro-caribbean origins anyway.

A Japanese person creating this after inspiration from listening to reggae music is cultural appropriation.

Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae

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For people wondering "what's the sleng teng riddim?" here's some examples: Original "under mi sleng teng" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjw7m-BKmQ8 One of my favorites, "The Don" by peter metro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZuTOH2zoc 90 minute sleng teng mix (here's a bunch): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLKc61dVWQ related: Under mi sensi (doesn't actually use sleng teng riddim but it's a riff on the sleng…

Don't forget Moby's ‘dancehall’ remix of Prodigy's ‘Everybody In The Place’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHc7rSv03Q

I bet that this is where many thirty-something people heard it for the first time.

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