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We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by reaperducer »

warning26 wrote: post #124
reaperducer wrote: post #69

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that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. This is one of the big reasons that Apple locked down its Lightning/USB ports so hard. There were tons of fake Apple chargers flooding the market that contained exfiltration circuitry, among other problems. It was a huge topic i…

Given the vast financial incentive apple has for keeping its chargers proprietary, I find it difficult to believe Apple is doing this for the primary reason of benefitting their users.

I don't think phone chargers register even a blip in the financials of a trillion-dollar company.

But the bad press and bad customer experience from people having problems with "Apple" chargers probably does.

It's called protecting the brand.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

rafale wrote: post #129
01acheru wrote: post #14

Hug of death probably so I cannot read the article. Anyway that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. If something doesn't match the description send it back, if you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to register on some weird…

Buying from China, as a westerner, is akin to buying the rope that will hang you. Regardless of the quality or price of their products. We should have never allowed them to become this powerful. Their ideology is toxic and incompatible with ours.

> We should have never allowed them

What does this mean?

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by rafale »

DrBazza wrote: post #68
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #62

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> "efficient" MBA eloi outsourced everything to morlocks a long time ago. This is the biggest weakness of the West - and it all stems back to "share holder value". Companies, US ones, in particular, seem to have some absurd drive to pay endless dividends to shareholders, and drive 'value' via share price, by appearing to be profitable. In other words, get stuff from the cheapest provider. It didn't help that at the s…

It wouldn't be so bad if we outsourced to countries that are ideologically compatible with the West. The problem is China. Not outsourcing itself.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by tim333 »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
01acheru wrote: post #14

Hug of death probably so I cannot read the article. Anyway that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. If something doesn't match the description send it back, if you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to register on some weird…

that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. This is one of the big reasons that Apple locked down its Lightning/USB ports so hard. There were tons of fake Apple chargers flooding the market that contained exfiltration circuitry, among other problems. It was a huge topic i…

Has Apple had any USB chargers prior to the USB C ones on recent macs? I think in the past it was all magsafe on macs and lightning or the 30 pin thing on iPhones.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by dookahku »

rafale wrote: post #126
JediPig wrote: post #110

20 years ago, china hide 2nd network card that was in listener mode, transmitting documents at random times, mostly peek. This was at a research company. How it was discovered. We put a card on listening/prem mode and mirror everything for that subnet the printer was on. I thought I screwed it up with the double mirror/traffic. when investigating why the issue, we found nothing wrong with the config, only when we plu…

Why was the printer connected to the public internet? A DMZ subnet would have prevented this vector of attack.

That doesn't feel like a reasonable response... How's anormal person supposed to know what DMZ subnet would means?

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by miles2sleep »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #88
RunSet wrote: post #27

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I have seen enough stories of supply-line sabotage to think that if you are going to build your infrastructure with Chinese hardware, air-gapping it is a necessity. Probably a good idea to air-gap your pick and place machine even if it is not Chinese.

Airgapping wouldn’t be enough here since it infects any USB device plugged in. You’ll have to run the USB through some antivirus any time you want to use a new design from a “good” computer.

You could go for overkill and establish a one-way data transfer methodology with built in crc/ecc. Receive-only optics on the destination side might be usable.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by rafale »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #133
rafale wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying from China, as a westerner, is akin to buying the rope that will hang you. Regardless of the quality or price of their products. We should have never allowed them to become this powerful. Their ideology is toxic and incompatible with ours.

> We should have never allowed them What does this mean?

Trade ban and sanctions in the early 2000s when it should have become clear their ambition and dirty tactics would put us on a collision course. Instead, we were blinded by the cheap cost and outsourced everything there. To a country that doesn't respect IP, or even basic human rights, and, on top of that, is now ready and able to export their world vision and order.

Now it's a bit too late to stop them. NATO/West id too preoccupied by Russia when, imo, China is the bigger threat, by far.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by nayuki »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #133
rafale wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying from China, as a westerner, is akin to buying the rope that will hang you. Regardless of the quality or price of their products. We should have never allowed them to become this powerful. Their ideology is toxic and incompatible with ours.

> We should have never allowed them What does this mean?

Trade deals, foreign investment, joint ventures, etc.

China got powerful by doing business with the rest of the world.

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