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I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by martin_a »

rcarmo wrote: post #83
lpcvoid wrote: post #56

Can somebody explain to me why I wouldn't just rent a 40 EUR dedicated server from Hetzner with unlimited traffic and gigabit uplink? His 600GB/day is way less than what you get over a gigabit link within a day. Sure, sudden bursts would perhaps "throttle" at a gigabit, but according to his article that was only the cloudflare proxy anyhow, so no pain in having that take a few seconds longer. As far as I am concerned…

Because they provide managed services that VPS hosters don't have or which would require the overhead of maintaining and patching servers, and many people just want to get on with their lives instead of worrying about OS exploits...

That's why you take some kind of "managed hosting" where all of this is taken care of.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by progx »

Clouds are good for quick start and fast grow. But after this phase, you should think about "classic" hosting solutions (multiserver, load balancer, etc.), they could be much cheaper.

as long as your human admin costs are lower then cloud services

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by mcbain »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #77

Ah the old cloud provider switcheroo. Yip this is the way they make money. They make it easy to setup some gigantic hugely scalable website then hit you with a gigantic scaled up bill. AWS would do this as well. Team I'm in at the moment is in the early stages of cloud adoption but the company in total has fell hook line and sinker for AWS. When I mentioned the cost there is always an excuse. The main one being that…

That stackoverflow infra blog post is out of date. They use more than a single webserver now. For example: https://stackexchange.com/performance

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by cma »

kuu wrote: post #47

One thing I hate about the cloud providers is that there isn't an option to set a maximum cost. I would prefer to plug the cable of my side project than just receive an email saying me that next bill is going to be over my cost. I understand not everyone would like to do that, but I would like to have that option.

They'd rather refund small guys for mistakes than give big guys an easy limit to set.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by tome »

hkt wrote: post #85
iso1631 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a VPS from linode for $5 a month and it costs $5 a month.

Personally I like Mythic Beasts and use their raspberry pi servers and VPSes. Much less terrifying pricing and the support is good too.

Yes, their support is amazing. I can email the support address and have a real human who knows what he/she is doing reply within minutes or hours at most.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by nbevans »

ksec wrote: post #40

>What we're talking about here is egress bandwidth for data being sent out of Microsoft's Azure infrastructure (priced at AU$0.014 per GB). AUD $0.014 is roughly USD $0.01. Which I thought was reasonable. But on [1] only "Data transfer between Availability Zones(Egress and Ingress)" cost $0.01. Do transferring from Azure to CF count as that? Other Internet egress (routed via Routing preference transit ISP network) st…

Cloudflare and Azure have a "Bandwidth Alliance" peering which - if you correctly set up your Azure resources to use "Internet Routing" - will result in a modest discount. It is a bit of a scam though as it is marketed as though you'll get 100% discount but in reality it is more like 15% off. I think GCP is 100% though.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by sildur »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #84
lpcvoid wrote: post #56

Can somebody explain to me why I wouldn't just rent a 40 EUR dedicated server from Hetzner with unlimited traffic and gigabit uplink? His 600GB/day is way less than what you get over a gigabit link within a day. Sure, sudden bursts would perhaps "throttle" at a gigabit, but according to his article that was only the cloudflare proxy anyhow, so no pain in having that take a few seconds longer. As far as I am concerned…

That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. Also, as you can see in a screenshot on TFA: Some services are simply dirt cheap. The storage account and its various “sub-services” is such a thing. It’s hard to compete with dedicated hardware here. Depending on your dedicated hosting provider, the traffic cost trap exist…

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by dx034 »

3pt14159 wrote: post #102

Happily donated to Troy. He's done more than most to help everyday folks weather these data breaches.

My issue with this is that the donation is basically to Microsoft for their dark patterns. There's no way this traffic cost much to Microsoft, so it all is added profit for their shareholders. Other providers would've provided the same service and bandwidth for a much lower price.

I really appreciate the work that Troy is doing, but seeing much needed money ending up and Microsoft or Amazon leaves a bitter taste. I hope at some point it will become cool again to just rent a VM or dedicated server for small projects and stop throwing so much money at the already richest people in the world.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by CodesInChaos »

mawalu wrote: post #101
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #67

It is very good these things are getting publicized. More and more people realize these payment schemes for what they are: a scam. Every cloud provider that refuse to put a hard spending limit participates in this. It is important to remember that not all cloud providers participate in it. For example, in Hetzner Cloud, they explicitly provide the maximum amount you are going to pay for a given instance or service in…

Hetzner Cloud(!) only has 20TB/Month included in the monthly costs and states that you have to pay for any additional traffic. I never reached that on one of their cloud boxes so I don't know how it looks like but it definitely isn't all up front. But yes the dedicated machines come with no additional traffic charges whatsoever

Additional traffic costs 1 EUR/TB (plus VAT, depending on where you live). So it's about 50 times cheaper than the big clouds.

Re: I got pwned by my cloud costs

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Post by 3pt14159 »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #77

Ah the old cloud provider switcheroo. Yip this is the way they make money. They make it easy to setup some gigantic hugely scalable website then hit you with a gigantic scaled up bill. AWS would do this as well. Team I'm in at the moment is in the early stages of cloud adoption but the company in total has fell hook line and sinker for AWS. When I mentioned the cost there is always an excuse. The main one being that…

I can see both sides. If you're a startup that needs to be able to scale quickly if product market fit is achieved, the cloud really saves your bacon. Or is your ten person team really going to figure out how to get Postgres to reliably run with billions of records, with encrypted backups, etc?

It's basically a form of permanent debt. Faster product market fit, higher long term infrastructure costs until you have enough breathing room to start pulling it into your own datacenter. At that point you have some negotiating leverage with the cloud provider.

On the other hand, if you're not looking for explosive growth man oh man is DigitalOcean or anyone of a number good providers of good old VPSes / Cloud-lite.

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