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Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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post #113

Does anyone know if they have any plans to make an EU isolated fly.io ran by an European company?

It seems that they allow you to pick which region(s) to deploy to. What are you missing at that point?

Is it because you need to be able to defer responsibility to a legal entity of the EU?

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#133
post #4

requires a credit card but costs nothing, their reasoning sounds alright to me

https://fly.io/blog/free-postgres/#a-note-about-credit-cards

Lovely! "Your credit card number is the thin plastic line between us and chaos".

I agree I'm thinking also making people pay for stuff is important. It's hardly like fly.io don't have a good reputation, I trust them and it does seem reasonable requirement to help them stop people destroying their platform with crypto mining!

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#134

Fly is great. They’ve got Chris McCord there, who has already improved their Elixir deployment story. I tweeted a few weeks ago about improving the default Rails deployment experience to not require DB provisioning and configuration of env vars like SECRET_BASE_KEY and they said it would likely ship within the next 3 months. My hot take is they’re setting themselves up to ride the server-side rendered HTML renaissanc…

What are the physical security implications of using Fly.io and other edge computing services?

Is some shady ISP colocation as safe as highly secured AWS and Azure data centers?

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#135

How to get free postgres for small projects: sudo apt-get install postgres AND you actually get sole control of all the data, all without the need for a credit card! Seriously though, who is this for? Any backend hosting platform offers a database. It's just a standard at this point. For people hosting static gihub pages (and storing all the database connection credentials in frontend js?!), don't make me laugh. Or y…

> who is this for?

It brings them, more or less, to feature-parity with Heroku. If you cared about the differentiators for Fly (which, at a glance, seem to be better support for global reach and Docker, and less fiddling with Postgres) but were kept away by their lack of database on the free tier, now you probably want to give it a spin.

If you don't care for Heroku-style deployments, because you're happy managing your own infra, then this is not for you.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#137

> A note about credit cards > Even for our free services, we require a credit card number. We know that's the worst and it gives you heartburn. It's not because we plan to charge you. > But here's what happens if you give people freemium full access to a hosting platform: lots and lots of free VMs mining for cryptocurrencies. > We could tell you we want to prevent crypto mining because we care about the planet, and t…

Wouldn't they be able to detect mining? And shut down that VM? I think many hosters would like to have that...

Potentialy, but it’s much easier if they never have to look for VM’s mining at all.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#138

> A note about credit cards > Even for our free services, we require a credit card number. We know that's the worst and it gives you heartburn. It's not because we plan to charge you. > But here's what happens if you give people freemium full access to a hosting platform: lots and lots of free VMs mining for cryptocurrencies. > We could tell you we want to prevent crypto mining because we care about the planet, and t…

Wouldn't they be able to detect mining? And shut down that VM? I think many hosters would like to have that...

As long as it is free miners will keep trying to get around it by for instance running tons of different free accounts each with a obfuscated mining system.

Even if you catch all just having them try will be a huge waste of resources.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#139
post #113

Does anyone know if they have any plans to make an EU isolated fly.io ran by an European company?

It seems that they allow you to pick which region(s) to deploy to. What are you missing at that point? Is it because you need to be able to defer responsibility to a legal entity of the EU?

CLOUD ACT is the problem. Even for data stored outside the US, authorities can demand access to data. This is why for example in the EU you are a customer of AWS SARL in Luxembourg instead of AWS Inc.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

#140

Fly is great. They’ve got Chris McCord there, who has already improved their Elixir deployment story. I tweeted a few weeks ago about improving the default Rails deployment experience to not require DB provisioning and configuration of env vars like SECRET_BASE_KEY and they said it would likely ship within the next 3 months. My hot take is they’re setting themselves up to ride the server-side rendered HTML renaissanc…

What are the physical security implications of using Fly.io and other edge computing services? Is some shady ISP colocation as safe as highly secured AWS and Azure data centers?

Fly isn’t really edge in the sense that they are colocating with lots of ISPs like Netflix might for video at the edge.

Fly is edge in the sense they have hosts in N regions and manage the anycast for you so traffic seamlessly routes to those regions. They don’t publish which data centers they operate in only the regions (https://fly.io/docs/reference/regions/) but most of those regions line up with equinix data centers which are all physically secured professional facilities.

It’s a great question though and one they should have a document about.

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