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Post by Mountain_Skies »

MiroF wrote: post #115
lapsedacademic wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted On one hand, a congressional subpoena for "non-public moderation discussions and policies" is broad. On the other hand, there is certainly some version of that request that is within reasonable scope for a subpoena. In the hypothetical world where passing legislation in the US were still possible and Congress was capable of regulating Big Tec…

Big tech, like high finance, is a Democrat aligned industry. Big Oil is a Republican aligned industry. Leftists are anti-corporate power in the public sphere. None of this is paradoxical.

Apparently most self-identified leftists in the US didn't get the memo because they haven't been anti-corporate since corporations rainbowed themselves after Occupy Wall Street ended. The 1999 WTO protests in Seattle could never happen today but a celebration of the WTO and global corporate power certainly could. That's simply what the left in the US has become: another wholly owned subsidiary of Corporation Inc.

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Post by mindslight »

satronaut wrote: post #93
kerneloftruth wrote: post #22

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I think they're also sending a message: Censor more! (because the mid-terms are coming).

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I don't understand how it's possible for anyone to believe this "Biden caused inflation" nonsense. Do you really think that inflation occurs immediately? And if it does happen so quickly, couldn't it be undone just as easily? The current price inflation is the result of all that monetary inflation of March 2020 finally hitting the wider market. The new money was injected mainly into the banking sector and took over a year to fully cause asset inflation - this was its goal, to keep Wall St's Potemkin village running happily during the Covid recession. Only now is it being fully "invested" into real goods and services and distorting prices in the consumer market. How is this hard to understand?

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by ModernMech »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #64
Bhilai wrote: post #60

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Funny how you think this is a political theater but you do not acknowledge the anger stroking speeches from Trump and appearances of Republican senators on Fox news claiming widespread election fraud and forcing Pence and congress in not certifying election as not a serious matter.

I can say that would be a serious matter, but the hype about how it was going to kill our democracy because of some rioters is overblown nonsense.

I think your mistake is that you believe the end of democracy would be a huge event and that you see Jan 6 as an attempted huge strike but not big enough.

Actually Jan 6 was a surgical strike, aimed at a critical ceremony: the transfer of power. It was exactly as big as it needed to be, to infiltrate and hold the Capitol for as long as possible.

Ask yourself: how does democracy die? When an army invades? When bombs are dropped? No, democracy dies when illegal acts are used to subvert the Constitution. That's exactly what happened on Jan 6. The winner of the election is transmuted into President Elect on Jan 6 through the ceremony that was disrupted by the sitting President. That's one step into an extraconstitutional wilderness, and I'm not sure how far you can go into that void without losing everything. I think that's a place where the slope is very, very slippery due to the power dynamics involved. Due to the brave acts of individuals at the Capitol that day, we took two steps back into the Constitutional order.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by MiroF »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #131
MiroF wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big tech, like high finance, is a Democrat aligned industry. Big Oil is a Republican aligned industry. Leftists are anti-corporate power in the public sphere. None of this is paradoxical.

Apparently most self-identified leftists in the US didn't get the memo because they haven't been anti-corporate since corporations rainbowed themselves after Occupy Wall Street ended. The 1999 WTO protests in Seattle could never happen today but a celebration of the WTO and global corporate power certainly could. That's simply what the left in the US has become: another wholly owned subsidiary of Corporation Inc.

You are imputing a lot of views onto "leftists" that I do not think are accurate. I am unsure how rainbow flags have any relevance to this discussion.

So called "pinkwashing" is well known among leftist circles so to suggest that entire political spectrum has been hoodwinked by American corporations seems wrong?

The real answer is just that the Left isn't particularly powerful in the US, even during the WTO protests.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by RspecMAuthortah »

tootie wrote: post #120
yonaguska wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just live in a completely different world. One side sees Jan 6 as an insurrection, the other side sees it as a modern day Reichstag fire. Republicans cannot actually abandon the latter narrative, because so much of their base see the election as actually stolen. Anecdotally, I have friends that voted for Biden and still don't believe the election was legitimate. The failures of the the current administration and…

Concerned parents labelled terrorists? False: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/18/instagram-... You (and your friends if they are real) are propaganda victims.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/merrick-garland-calls-in-fbi-t... Perhaps your "fact checkers" need to stop tweaking words and see what a grave threat to ordinary citizens this is.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by choward »

altgoogler wrote: post #12

Disclaimer: am googler, my opinions are my own. I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. It's not clear to me what the House committee is asking for. From what I read in their letters it's basically, "We think you have more than you've given us, so give it to us". That's not how this works. If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted. If you don't get what you think you want, call p…

> If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted.

Did you see what happened when they asked specific and targeted questions to the FBI?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZQRetozhSY

If the FBI won't even answer basic questions why should companies have to give have random arbitrary data that probably won't help with the investigation? This January 6th committee is a complete joke and nothing but theater.

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Post by jimbob45 »

etataetaet wrote: post #127
satronaut wrote: post #93

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Almost no one (~5%) agree with lawmakers being able to trade stocks. This is one of the few things that basically all Americans agree on. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/588630-76-percent-of-voter...

I want to be clear on this. We do want our lawmakers to be able to trade stocks. Lawmakers should be able to invest in the country they claim to serve.

What we don't want is for them to trade stocks in a free and opaque manner. Lawmakers should ideally follow the rules of Silicon Valley where all trades must be irrevocably begun 6-18 months in advance with full public disclosure. That way, insider information can't realistically be used well. Furthermore, these rules should apply to each member of the lawmaker's immediate family.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by choward »

lapsedacademic wrote: post #97
altgoogler wrote: post #12

Disclaimer: am googler, my opinions are my own. I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. It's not clear to me what the House committee is asking for. From what I read in their letters it's basically, "We think you have more than you've given us, so give it to us". That's not how this works. If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted. If you don't get what you think you want, call p…

> If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted On one hand, a congressional subpoena for "non-public moderation discussions and policies" is broad. On the other hand, there is certainly some version of that request that is within reasonable scope for a subpoena. In the hypothetical world where passing legislation in the US were still possible and Congress was capable of regulating Big Tec…

> The paradox of Big Tech: everyone hates Big Tech because they think their political adversaries control Big Tech.

> The Left views Big Tech as monopolies controlled by techno-libertarian ultra-billionaires. The Right views Big Tech as Democrat companies controlled by radical leftist censors.

I guess it's only a paradox if you are partisan and think there are only two types of people. I don't consider myself left or right and big tech is definitely an adversary to me and my beliefs.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by lapsedacademic »

choward wrote: post #138
lapsedacademic wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to subpoena information, you need to be specific and targeted On one hand, a congressional subpoena for "non-public moderation discussions and policies" is broad. On the other hand, there is certainly some version of that request that is within reasonable scope for a subpoena. In the hypothetical world where passing legislation in the US were still possible and Congress was capable of regulating Big Tec…

> The paradox of Big Tech: everyone hates Big Tech because they think their political adversaries control Big Tech. > The Left views Big Tech as monopolies controlled by techno-libertarian ultra-billionaires. The Right views Big Tech as Democrat companies controlled by radical leftist censors. I guess it's only a paradox if you are partisan and think there are only two types of people. I don't consider myself left or…

The observation isn't that opposition to big tech is always irrational or partisan.

The observation is that Big Tech plays the role of Powerful Boogeyman for both the left and the right in polarizing narrative construction.

Ofc non-partisans can also dislike big tech, and partisans can dislike big tech for rational reasons. Neither of those is inconsistent with the above observation.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by clarge1120 »

tootie wrote: post #120
yonaguska wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just live in a completely different world. One side sees Jan 6 as an insurrection, the other side sees it as a modern day Reichstag fire. Republicans cannot actually abandon the latter narrative, because so much of their base see the election as actually stolen. Anecdotally, I have friends that voted for Biden and still don't believe the election was legitimate. The failures of the the current administration and…

Concerned parents labelled terrorists? False: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/18/instagram-... You (and your friends if they are real) are propaganda victims.

Your bias is showing. Politifact?

The NBSA sent a letter to the DOJ asking them to look into school board meetings around the country, saying that the parent protests were "equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism."

The NBSA has since apologized and removed the letter from their website.

Politifact responds by saying the word "terrorist" does not appear in the memo, thus the "domestic terrorist" claim is false. They created a straw man and then defeated it. Yeesh.

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