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World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I don't know if this comment is serious or not, but if so, it is hyperbolic nonsense. Not to say there's no warming, obviously there is, or to say it won't have detrimental effects, but it's people saying things like this that give deniers ammo to call it a doomsday cult. If you truly believe what you've just said, you need to take a step out of your own head and unbiasedly self reflect and examine the merit of your…

Why would it be hyperbolic? What exactly do you think happens when temperatures keep rising to unbearable levels? Keep cranking up the AC? What about the crops that feed the animals we eat to survive? What about the dwindling oceans we farm sea food from?

It's a very naive view of climate change, on par with "whatever happened to global cooling?"

What exactly do you think happens? Runaway greenhouse effect? People just start baking to death in the street? It's senseless. Climate change causes negative effects, but it's much more complicated than that. You should do some reading.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Thanks for this! Lots of my peers are going on and on about how we're all doomed. I belisve in climate change, and that it's bad and we must act. But I don't think we're gonna be living in Waterworld, which is what my friends are describing.

There is a pretty major flaw in this write up, which is the assumption that the changes we may see will be linear, be it sea level rise, temps, etc. There are at least 4 tipping points that could upend this. If the Gulf Stream fails, Europe will be much colder than it is now, for example. Rapid breakdown of ice shelfs could quickly raise sea levels. “It won’t be bad because it has not yet” is thin. The middle latitud…

I totally agree, he definitely downplays or under-appreciates the possible severity of climate change.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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post #125

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I don't know if this comment is serious or not, but if so, it is hyperbolic nonsense. Not to say there's no warming, obviously there is, or to say it won't have detrimental effects, but it's people saying things like this that give deniers ammo to call it a doomsday cult. If you truly believe what you've just said, you need to take a step out of your own head and unbiasedly self reflect and examine the merit of your…

Why would it be hyperbolic? What exactly do you think happens when temperatures keep rising to unbearable levels? Keep cranking up the AC? What about the crops that feed the animals we eat to survive? What about the dwindling oceans we farm sea food from?

Dwindling oceans? I thought that the sea levels are rising?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

If you want children, you should have children. They will be fine. If you deny yourself you will regret it later in life.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

It is daunting, but the world has looked at least this scary before and it didn’t stop the generations of people who led to our existence right now. As a person who just had a child, I strongly recommend it so far. It is more challenging than most things I have done in my life, but also more rewarding. I am forced to be selfless in a way that I never have been before. And I know it’s annoying to hear people say these…

I agree. Exactly when was this utopian time to have kids? Things look pretty damn good now.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I think it is reasonable to not have kids if you think the probability of an acceptable quality of life for them is too low. I only agreed to have kids because I have a spouse who earns above average and I feel secure that we will be able procure resources and equip the kids well, but I think would have been just as happy if I had not had kids.

if you are posting on HN and you have children today, their baseline quality of life is better than 99.999% of that of recorded human history.

I would say it is better than 100%. When was that .001%

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> Cause he’s rich and can afford it regardless what happens. I dont think rich people like to lose money. Would you pay for ice when you know it would already melt when you get it?

If I could use it for 20 years first, definitely.

What happens after 20 years?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I don't want to sound fatalistic but it's difficult to see how we can reset the 4 big feedback loops in any reasonable amount of time: Ice-albedo feedback - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice%E2%80%93albedo_feedback Permafrost thaw feedback - https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/global-carbon-budget-perm... Forestfire\Drought feedback - https://weatherology.com/trending/articles/Drought-Feedback-... Jetstream Disruption…

Sulfur dioxide aerosol injection in the stratosphere until carbon capture and decarbonization can catch up. We desperately need an energy inexpensive way to sequester atmospheric carbon underground in stable (mineral) form. Hopefully we’ll see progress from Climeworks or similar concerns in this space. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aae98d/...

I think that was what the movie Snowpiercer was about. It ended badly before the start of the movie, with an ice age.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Personally I would not buy property south of the 45th parallel anymore (in the northern hemisphere). Even north of that we have seen shockingly high temperatures. Anything south of that will become a hellscape within our lifetime.

> Personally I would not buy property south of the 45th parallel anymore Obama bought a property in Martha's Vineyard, why would a former President with all the knowledge about global warming buy it?

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