Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Is the madness ever going to end?

unixsheikh.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 629 posts

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#131

Post by yazaddaruvala »

> The entry barrier to programming needs to [be] high! Programming is engineering, it's not something where you throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks

Sadly this is the fallacy of all educated people: “… is and gained an excellence in, not throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks”.

The reality is human improvement comes in two ways 1. Repetition for excellence and 2. Exploration for innovation.

Innovative exploration has always been a stochastic walk by relatively educated people into the areas that are their knowledge gap. Even physical exploration is only made safe through mental exploration first. e.g. All of astronomy prior to space flight.

Even as someone most interested in excellence, you’re better off helping foster/improve exploration than trying to hold it back.

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#132

Post by yknx4 »

SahAssar wrote: post #109
meetups323 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. When I saw the tired "Electron = bad" rant I immediately went to look for a tab entitled "Projects" to see if the author had created a native desktop app with "value"[1] equal to or greater than what a good Electron app provides (Slack, Spotify, Discord, VS Code). But lo and behold, no such tab. [1]: [Electron apps] constantly crash and has no value over a native desktop application what so ever

> Slack, Spotify, Discord All those examples could or do work just as well as web apps, right? I don't think that's the authors message, but I'd rather have those type of apps be web-based instead of electron-based or native.

Electron apps are pretty much that tho. Just with extra access to the system that you wouldn't want to give to every web page.

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#133

Post by daveidol »

phailhaus wrote: post #85

I feel comfortable with asserting that the author has never worked on a complex web application. This web-dev hate borders on pathological: this is a guy that seems to specialize in Unix/Linux tooling, doesn't have a single tutorial on web app development [1], and yet has an intense hatred towards a space that he barely understands. These types of arguments are incredibly embarrassing to read, not only because they b…

Agreed. I was cringing to read this - had a laugh at the Patreon plug at the end of this poorly-written rant about something he clearly has no solid understanding of.

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#134

Post by vasco »

distrill wrote: post #120

> In the past IT people ... where very clever people. People with a high level of intelligence ... I normally don't mind typos and would never comment on a misspelling like this. But I also cringe pretty hard at people lamenting over how dumb people around them are. The fact that this kind of rant is so full of typos is fairly appropriate.

They're driving down the road shouting that all the cars are going the wrong way. What drivel.

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#135

Post by hwers »

I'd love to go a layer deeper it's just that it's so so hard for me to grok it all and deal with platform complexities or even to get a job as easy in a spot where lower level stuff is used rather than e.g. electron. (Unless you've already spent decades grokking it.) Maybe if the lower levels were simplified (we could use a revolution on the lower levels to be honest).

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#136

Post by omgitsabird »

> We have to put a completely different template system on top of PHP, also written in PHP, which now makes the application load four times as slow.

Twig, Blade, etc. are generally "compiled" into PHP and cached. I don't think they should cause any application to load four times slower.

Re: Is the madness ever going to end?

#140

Post by strken »

alias_neo wrote: post #70
wccrawford wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible that they crash constantly on that person's computer, especially if they have a bad power supply or other hardware. The problem might just be their own.

Dodgy stick of RAM maybe? I'm not a fan of electron, heck, is go as far as to say I don't like it, but those statements are just unfair. I run a bunch of electron apps on Linux every single day of the week for years now and I honestly can't say any of them have ever crashed. Yes they may take up a bunch of RAM, but how many software engineers have less than about 16GB, and what's that RAM there for, if not too run my…

I used to do programming assignments on an Eee PC with 2GB of RAM, running Xubuntu and using Emacs as my editor. While modern netbooks generally have 4GB, and cheap laptops 8GB, it's not guaranteed that a student will be using a modern computer.

Dev environments that waste RAM keep people from learning how to program, and disproportionately affect anyone using cheap hand-me-down hardware.

Post reply on HN