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Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by buzzy_hacker »

ejb999 wrote: post #128
xigoi wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is contesting the claim that everything on the page matters. If anything on the page doesn't matter, the claim is wrong.

>>If anything on the page doesn't matter, the claim is wrong. Define 'matters' and 'matters to who'. May not matter to you, but if research shows that people interested in the reading about the product stay's around longer if the page is visually appealing - then it matters to someone.

Knock knock.

Who's there?

To.

To who?

To whom!

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

speedgoose wrote: post #38
skinkestek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somebody asked the other day. Kagi pay for api access to both Google and Bing.

Interesting. How does one can access such APIs ? Do you need to know someone with an important position at Google ?

Contact me if you want to try this: https://www.mojeek.com/services/search/web-search-api/

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

speedgoose wrote: post #8

I wonder how it collects the results from “the best search engines on the market”. Bing’s API in Azure has very specific terms of use that do not allow something like Kagi, and Google Search API is not designed to build a generic search engine.

We are an alternative: https://www.mojeek.com/services/search/web-search-api/

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by BilalBudhani »

freediver wrote: post #39
Lio wrote: post #34

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Hi Freediver, Would you mind telling us a little of the story about Kagi the company behind the product? It’s really interesting to hear that you’re using Crystal. Where are you guys based and how have you bootstraped? Good luck and keep at it, this is a really interesting project.

Sure. We are running on a tight budget, completely bootstrapped by funds from my previous exit. Trying to control cost and all that while establishing product-market fit, which is the reason the beta is closed for now. Instead of starting with technology, I started by selecting people that I can work with and are crazy enough to accept working on such an ambitious idea. It turned out that they really liked Crystal an…

great to see Crystal getting adopted in more production grade projects, honestly, It would be awesome to see the language receiving more traction in 2022

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by muskmusk »

tmsbrg wrote: post #79

It seems the trend lately for new services to be built with rather high monthly fees. From the FAQ: "We plan to offer entry level plans for as low as $10/month, unlimited plan at around $20/mo as well as make bundles (to include Kagi email and other services), family plans and annual payment discounts available." I have to say I support a lot of these initiatives, but I can't help but think altogether they're creatin…

> I have to say I support a lot of these initiatives, but I can't help but think altogether they're creating a division of the web into premium services the rich can afford, and low quality services for the masses

What do you mean? Like cars, houses, restaurants, groceries and almost literally everything else on the planet? :)

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by lekevicius »

the-dude wrote: post #42
freediver wrote: post #3

Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

Hi Vladimir, Thanks for the invite. Please start monetizing : we want to support this effort ( I understand it is a difficult decision ). Would subscribe if reasonable. Register a new HN handle here for comms about Kagi. I see gimples of the future where my search engine behaves/looks differently depending if I am researching IT issues or looking for clothing. Good luck.

> Register a new HN handle here for comms about Kagi.

I think one of the best things about HN is that there are few "corporate" accounts, and founders continue to communicate from their personal accounts.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by natpalmer1776 »

sytelus wrote: post #111
Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other people may have different opinions about their personal data. The advantage Kagi has over Google is the different business model. Google would never for example introduce a "non-commercial" filter as it would go against their advertising-based business model. Kagi doesn't give a shit about ads and will do whatever that keeps its users paying and so has a non-commercial "lens" (as they call it). I'm not sure how…

If Google went completely add free, they would need to charge $57 per year to entire US population. I bet vast majority of population will rather be willing to endure ads. HN bubble often forgets how small it is relative to whole population.

The price point of Kagi is anywhere from $120/yr to $240/yr, based on their current FAQ.

Let's say they manage to take just 1% of Google's daily search traffic, which based on a quick Google search (hah) would be about 35 MILLION search queries. If we do a very very rough ballpark estimate of 50 queries per user, per day, it would be about 700,000 unique users... or between 84,000,000 and 168,000,000 USD/year gross revenue.

Now, do I think it's reasonable to expect them to take 1% of Google's search traffic anytime soon? Probably not. I do however think that the sheer size of this market means there is a LOT of missed opportunity by the incumbents in the market that can be leveraged to create niche products that perform successfully by any other market's standards.

So, even if the HN bubble is small there are other bubbles out there. A LOT of other bubbles out there.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by the-dude »

lekevicius wrote: post #136
the-dude wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Vladimir, Thanks for the invite. Please start monetizing : we want to support this effort ( I understand it is a difficult decision ). Would subscribe if reasonable. Register a new HN handle here for comms about Kagi. I see gimples of the future where my search engine behaves/looks differently depending if I am researching IT issues or looking for clothing. Good luck.

> Register a new HN handle here for comms about Kagi. I think one of the best things about HN is that there are few "corporate" accounts, and founders continue to communicate from their personal accounts.

I agree with you, though most of those handles do in some way relate to the person and are typically not 'fantasy style'.

I didn't mean to suggest 'register hi-kagi-ceo-here'. Maybe 'The Vlad' would work.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by berkeleyjunk »

sytelus wrote: post #111
Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other people may have different opinions about their personal data. The advantage Kagi has over Google is the different business model. Google would never for example introduce a "non-commercial" filter as it would go against their advertising-based business model. Kagi doesn't give a shit about ads and will do whatever that keeps its users paying and so has a non-commercial "lens" (as they call it). I'm not sure how…

If Google went completely add free, they would need to charge $57 per year to entire US population. I bet vast majority of population will rather be willing to endure ads. HN bubble often forgets how small it is relative to whole population.

I think it is worse. The people who are willing to pay $57 to opt out of ads are probably the most profitable (I am guessing here: no citation available). Seems like a case of Adverse selection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_selection
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