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Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by Chris2048 »

sbarre wrote: post #109
jokoon wrote: post #94

I have a hard time understanding why platforms like electron are so popular. The predictions from Gary Bernhardt seem to really be true, in the future everything will be javascript. I wonder if somebody actually tried to make an OS that only has a browser, that's what Chrome OS actually is, after all.

Aside from the improvements to project timelines, Electron and similar products are popular because they improve the developer experience, and in 2022 the developer experience is what matters the most to many software companies (yes, in many cases ahead of the customer experience). DX directly drives engagement and retention, and good developers are hard to find (and keep!). And like it or not, there are more and mor…

> Electron and similar products are popular because they improve the developer experience

> more and more developers entering the industry with web-only training

aren't these very different things? Is Electron popular because web-skill are so common, or because the dev experience is better - I sceptical of the latter, as I find JS very dependant on framework/ecosystems for compatibility.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by skinkestek »

fabiospampinato wrote: post #121
skinkestek wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then do as I: develop in Firefox and if it works there (and isn't a PWA where maybe you get in trouble with Safari?) then it works everywhere. Less testing, less bugs. Whats not to like? Contrast to Chrome first developers who often get caught by cross browsers incompatibilities just like they did back in the days when they were IE first developers : )

Unless I'm missing something that doesn't fixes the issue, the problem is symmetrical, browser A is different than browser B, so browser B is different than browser A, testing in either of them doesn't guarantee a correct output in both of them.

Chrome - like IE before it - has a number of "features" that only work/ed in Chrome/IE.

Writing for a standards compliant browser like Firefox makes your code more well defined today just as it did back then because you won't get away with the same sloppyness. (This also makes you catch and fix problems in early iterations over the problem instead of after QA calls to complain so it saves you time and context switching too and if you are good you might look like a cross browser superhero almost for free ;-)

Earlier on not every basic thing was supported everywhere, many people here will remember the ACID tests. Younger devs won't remember them as we stopped talking about them after every browser became compliant. Today every mainstream browser has comprehensive test suites to cover everything we need from CSS I think.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by burlesona »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

This is a reason why discord is not good as a "project discussion hub." Make most of your knowledge sharing ephemeral and it means you have to repeat yourself over and over.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by tuananh »

hkalbasi wrote: post #95
wokwokwok wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean… fair, but is the 60MB runtime the issue? I really don’t care if my hello world UI is 60MB to download , I care that it consumes 1 GB of my precious ram to run. How is running js with a rust backend any better than running js with a C++ backend? I guess your “backend” is rust here, which is nice (because I Ie. really, do you get meaningful benefits from using this over say, literally just using https://github.…

Per https://github.com/Fournux/tauri-vs-electron it uses just 20 MB of ram on linux. Why? I guess because webkit-gtk is less ram hungry than blink.

any idea why the memory usage difference on windows are very close but significantly different on linux?

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by nkrisc »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

The project is horrible because one of the devs said something that wasn’t nice? Are you saying the project is horrible on its technical merits, or you just don’t like the developer’s response to someone?

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by rattlesnakedave »

roflc0ptic wrote: post #127
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

“Sorry if I was rude but it was intentional… if you fcking people would read…” I don’t know if this is a reason to embargo a project in its entire (is this person in charge? What do the other devs think of this behavior?), but jeez, that is unpleasant.

I agree the one interaction is not enough to embargo the whole project. If it works for you, great! I even find the work they’re doing with rust technically interesting. However, the damn thing just not working AND that interaction (not me in screenshot) really put me over the edge after a night of trying and failing to get my app to build + run.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by fabiospampinato »

skinkestek wrote: post #132
fabiospampinato wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless I'm missing something that doesn't fixes the issue, the problem is symmetrical, browser A is different than browser B, so browser B is different than browser A, testing in either of them doesn't guarantee a correct output in both of them.

Chrome - like IE before it - has a number of "features" that only work/ed in Chrome/IE. Writing for a standards compliant browser like Firefox makes your code more well defined today just as it did back then because you won't get away with the same sloppyness. (This also makes you catch and fix problems in early iterations over the problem instead of after QA calls to complain so it saves you time and context switchi…

Testing on ~~Chrome~~ Firefox would save you from accidentally using Chrome-only features, but that's only part of the problem, caniuse.com kinda works better for that as you get data about other browsers too.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by burlesona »

mysterydip wrote: post #104
fabiospampinato wrote: post #90

One very important thing I'd like to highlight: using one shared browser instance rather than N is not gonna make your apps that consume 1GB+ of memory suddenly consume much less than that, the problem for those apps is the code they run, it's not the language, it's not the platform, it's the badly written code, and Tauri doesn't change that.

Back in the day people coded lightweight because it wouldn't run otherwise, and speed mattered in single core sub-GHz CPUs. We don't have that same constraint today, how do we get people to write more efficient code?

You can't. Humans are lazy and working within constraints requires discipline and effort. Waste expands to fill the available space. The only thing that made old software efficient is that it wouldn't run if it wasn't efficient enough. And BTW there was crappy old software that made your computer chug back then too, it just looks better now because computers have gotten so much faster that apps can be a lot sloppier before users notice.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by throwaddzuzxd »

burlesona wrote: post #133
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

This is a reason why discord is not good as a "project discussion hub." Make most of your knowledge sharing ephemeral and it means you have to repeat yourself over and over.

You can still create a FAQ. Discord is a great way to know what are the frequently asked questions.
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