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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by onos »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #60
yostrovs wrote: post #39

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

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In USA at least vaccination rates strongly correlate with class and so races with more poverty have higher unvaccinated rates - blacks and Hispanics. But the advocates here seem to follow the meme that the unvaccinated are all trump supporting deplorables…

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Post by MiroF »

chippy wrote: post #70

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> The reason the powers of states in the west were limited to a degree - it was because the person was held as sacred. Most of the old judges deeply understand this. The politicians don't.

This conception is more mythos than reality. You should look at some of the early laws passed in many of these countries if you think we had a tradition of "strong" natural rights that are only being abrogated in our modern era.

It used to be illegal to publish content critical of the government [0], not to mention the fact that the franchise was restricted to those holding property, and definitely not considering ongoing active slavery.

I don't understand your connection to demonization of the poor.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by scott_w »

yostrovs wrote: post #39

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

You can’t spread HIV just by sitting next to someone. Your analogy also doesn’t hold at all because countries DO punish people for knowingly infecting others with HIV.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by occz »

tdrdt wrote: post #79
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #18

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My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

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>Because the vaccins 'overwrite' the wider protections of the immune system it is not very wise to vaccinate healthy people for this fast mutating virus.

Bullshit. Stop spreading misinformation.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by omarhaneef »

moralestapia wrote: post #56
whimsicalism wrote: post #13

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Uh, source? Media very much likes to simplify these things, but if you think of this in a probabilistic/continuous manner, rather than a "yes spread vs no spread" approach, the vaccines obviously reduce spread?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vacci... You're right that there's no definite answer to this, but the general consensus among doctors is that it doesn't prevent the virus from spreading.

From the article you post:

“ In a November press conference, Tedros Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the WHO, said that the vaccines were 60 percent protective against spreading the virus prior to the arrival of the delta variant. That number has dropped to 40 percent post-Delta. Omicron may worsen the problem, if, as suspected, it is more transmissible and leads to many more breakthrough infections.”

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by jquery »

leeoniya wrote: post #101
theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

i've always wondered how anti-vaxxers would feel about sending their children to schools exclusively for anti-vaxxers. is this something they would feel no hesitation in doing, or do they actually appreciate that their unvaccinated kids are surrounded by others' vaccinated kids? and also does there exist a sufficient amount of medical professionals to agree to service an all-anti-vaxxer school without complaint?

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Post by simonh »

ekianjo wrote: post #110
guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

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No, they can believe what they want as far as I’m concerned. Completely physically excluding them from society is enough. If they want to ‘protect’ themselves from the vaccine they have that right, absolutely, but the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them.

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Post by huntertwo »

crisdux wrote: post #33
micromacrofoot wrote: post #9

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vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

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"Hurr durr look at cases there's more than before" is not how you can tell whether the vaccine has an effect and is not how the scientific method works. It's likely that without vaccines, the omicron variant would have caused an even higher case load than we are seeing now. We know this because there are studies that show the vaccine reduces your likelihood of getting the original strain. Also we have studies that show vaccination reduces your probability of infection by omicron [0]. In addition, without vaccines, there would be more hospitalizations.

These facts don't necessarily support vaccine mandates from a moral POV, but they're still the facts and by ignoring these facts you're the one spreading nonsense.

[0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by bmeski »

leeoniya wrote: post #101
theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

i've always wondered how anti-vaxxers would feel about sending their children to schools exclusively for anti-vaxxers. is this something they would feel no hesitation in doing, or do they actually appreciate that their unvaccinated kids are surrounded by others' vaccinated kids? and also does there exist a sufficient amount of medical professionals to agree to service an all-anti-vaxxer school without complaint?

Within my family, they weigh the risks of what they believe the side-effects are and the disease.

They all live in very remote areas with few people so the risk is low to begin with. They aren't entirely "unintelligent", and I respect their decisions.

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