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Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by More-nitors »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

> a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft Zoom had and continues to have a significant developer presence in China. Those individuals are subject to CCP coercion. There was also a time when they routed American calls through the mainland [1]. That has been fixed. But it remains excessive to cast all past criticism of Zoom as Microsoft's work. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/0…

> when they routed American calls through the mainland

what about zoom-calls in other countries?

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by Jedd »

aspaviento wrote: post #100
IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

Linux version: - some times the left arrow to move the cursor doesn't work - some times images are displayed and others not - can't have more than 4 people on screen in a video call - the scroll is completely broken - can't get out of the immersive mode without closing the process (the back arrow doesn't work) And the list goes on and on...

My biggest issues are that a) it starts up in the foreground (none of my other autostart apps do this) so it can happily intercept keypresses you're doing in other apps -- and b) it does not respect standard system titlebar / borders, which puts it as the only app in my KDE environment that works in a non-standard manner.

A/V issues, navigation, inability to find an existing conversation / conference (happening now on another computer) on a GNU/Linux machine, etc are almost secondary.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by imglorp »

2ion wrote: post #33
wjnc wrote: post #13

One in this temperament: try accidently pasting a very large amount of data in the chatbox in Teams. Then spend the next 40 minutes re-starting Teams to try to remove the data from said box while your laptop tries to fly away and Teams keeps many processors and gigs of memory lit trying to parse your data. Microsoft should (but won't) reconsider the idea that one chatbox to rule many underlying types of software is a…

Even a very large amount of data pasted should not blow up a text box in 2021. I mean, on Windows you can paste an object referring to a data blob pretty sure, macOS surely has something similar and on X/Wayland you could sniff and size of data pasted in advance and do something useful. If it's plain text like JSON even 5G of plain text should not bring a text box to its knees when the memory is available, it's not b…

Slack handles it cleanly. It tells you the paste is too large and tells you how to add an attachment instead.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by jimnotgym »

drcongo wrote: post #29
cloudengineer94 wrote: post #9

Still waiting for these guys to update their MacOS app, we use it in our company and it's so bad that our own team uses Slack.

I had to install Teams for my kids' pandemic schooling. Now, I'm not a stupid man, but Teams makes me feel like one. It's without a doubt the most baffling piece of software I've ever tried to use - teachers post things for the kids to do at home and it takes forever to actually find them as there's so many different places they can be. I presume the goal in creating this app was "we need to compete with Slack", but…

I think you may have missed a stage. Microsoft had Skype and Skype for business already. It is Skype that became Teams and added the deeper integration.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by whatch »

atraac wrote: post #113
IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

I fully agree. I literally never felt this much hate and contempt for software as I do when I'm forced to use Teams every day. It's an absolute shitshow of a chat. And when I thought it couldn't get worse, they f*ked up ctrl+a selecting all text on Windows... I work in MS ecosystem, some MS products are great, some are really bad, most are ok-ish, but Teams is on a whole another level of bad.

Ctrl + A is also broken on Mac. Quite surprised to see it is broken on Windows as well

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by jevoten »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #83
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

As an anecdote I know of a certain top-100 company that ditched their in-house competitor to Teams because MS made them a sweeter O365 deal. For a time management forced them to use Teams even though they were still developing AND licensing the in-house competitor to other companies. MS is really aggressive with Teams marketing (specially for large bureaucratic enterprise) and I could totally see them doing what you…

Discounting a different product to kill competition? I'm no antitrust expert, but isn't that illegal? If not, it should be.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by fnord123 »

rob74 wrote: post #94
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

Honestly I fail to understand why Zoom seems to have so many fans. I find the UI confusing, on my Linux machine having a call with video will lead to the CPU cooler going into overdrive, I often have to leave and re-enter calls because audio output isn't working, etc. etc.

Zoom has a free version and the UI isn't that bad - and it scales to quite large groups. It's not nearly as confusing as Webex. And the video and audio quality are better than Teams. And no one knows what Google is offering this week (I think it's Meet, but maybe Hangouts or Duo or are they all the same now?)

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by paulcole »

blahblah12 wrote: post #126
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

Um, just think of what you're suggesting. At MS some department (marketing, sales, product managers, devs?) somehow coordinated a bunch of press leaks (not sure how these were even determined to be 'leaks'), made sure that media outlets collectively believed that they were problematic, and then used those leaks to influence sales? It's a stretch to attribute to malice what can be attributable to other environmental f…

> At MS some department (marketing, sales, product managers, devs?) somehow coordinated a bunch of press leaks (not sure how these were even determined to be 'leaks'), made sure that media outlets collectively believed that they were problematic, and then used those leaks to influence sales?

You’re literally describing a thing that exists which is called public relations. I’ll admit it is unlikely for the call to be coming from inside the house, but this would be the exact kind of thing done by an agency contracted by Microsoft — for among other reasons, plausible deniability should anything become public. “Microsoft would never badmouth Zoom.”

> media outlets were keen to cover stories around Zoom

Hmmm, I wonder if there’s a field of professionals who make media outlets more keen to cover stories around a certain topic?

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by tsimionescu »

IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

The audio/video part of Teams is almost flawless for me up to, say, 20 people. I was actually impressed with how well they handle multiple devices - joining a meeting from a phone and laptop at the same time, or moving from one to the other is done in the best possible way.

Everything else is horrible - note taking is useless, the chat is full of visual noise and slow, the calendar is mostly useless and takes too long to update, file sharing is infamously convoluted etc.

We currently use Slack for chat and Teams for audio/video calls and I quite like this setup. Slack is absolutely horrible for audio/video calls, so moving to it entirely is a no-go, hope the company will keep being ok to pay for both.

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