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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by stefan_ »

chernevik wrote: post #85
criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

By that logic insurers could deny claims related to obesity, or risky sexual behavior. Would you approve of that?

Try getting a liver transplant without sobriety.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by radnor »

chernevik wrote: post #85
criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

By that logic insurers could deny claims related to obesity, or risky sexual behavior. Would you approve of that?

It is not possible to spread obesity or risky sexual behavior to others.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ekianjo »

criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

> if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections

Will health insurers deny claims related to cancer if you have been drinking alcohol? Good luck living in that world.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ekianjo »

cletus wrote: post #46

What I find sad about this is how many who seem to be against it were just recently so in favour of private business autonomy [1]. No one's rights are being violated here. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you can. But those choices come with consequences, like just about every other choice we make. It's worth noting that fully remote people won't fall under this policy (from my reading of it anyway) so this isn't…

> It's also worth noting that a whole bunch of vaccines are required to attend public school already [2].

Vaccines required at school while children don't get any kind of side effects of COVID19 anyway (and get more risks from the vaccine than anything else). This is so far from any kind of Science.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ekianjo »

ethbr0 wrote: post #128
realreality wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> science-based and not up for discussion You realize this is a contradiction, right?

Science can be conclusive.

Sure, everyone was positive about a millenium ago that everything rotated around the Earth. It was not even up for debate, even among scientists.

We all know how that turned out.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by realreality »

ethbr0 wrote: post #128
realreality wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> science-based and not up for discussion You realize this is a contradiction, right?

Science can be conclusive.

Even when it's conclusive, it should never become "not up for discussion". That's the realm of blind faith.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by Chris2048 »

cletus wrote: post #46

What I find sad about this is how many who seem to be against it were just recently so in favour of private business autonomy [1]. No one's rights are being violated here. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you can. But those choices come with consequences, like just about every other choice we make. It's worth noting that fully remote people won't fall under this policy (from my reading of it anyway) so this isn't…

> that choices come with consequences

But should it?

rights are are social constructs created by people, we are as such allowed to re-evaluate them, unless you are speaking in a specific context of law/convention(s).

Also, wrt to that [1]; refusing customer business and firing employees are entirely different things, even if they both fit the description "business autonomy".

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Post by netr0ute »

ethbr0 wrote: post #128
realreality wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> science-based and not up for discussion You realize this is a contradiction, right?

Science can be conclusive.

Individual studies might be conclusive about a particular thing, but as a whole, science by definition isn't conclusive.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ekianjo »

vlovich123 wrote: post #55
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33

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> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness. Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

That’s not how infectious diseases work. You can be getting other people sick. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective so prolonged exposure in indoor spaces increases chances. Some people also are immuno compromised and can’t be vaccinated so you’d be putting them at risk too. Are you going to start paying for their sick time too and signing away that you’re personally liable for deaths?

> You can be getting other people sick

You must be missing the part that vaccinated people transmit the virus just the same. This is not a sterilizing vaccine we are dealing with.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ethbr0 »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #114
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.

Ah yeah, anti-vaxxers (I'm not calling you one) grasping at straws including calling the vax mandates racist because of the low vax uptake from Black people. If it was a policy that's based on something that the Black people can't change about them (e.g. refusal to entry to a club based on your address, with majority black areas of town being in that list), and it disadvantages them, yes that'd be racist. But in this…

Racism by intent and racism by outcome are both racism.

Regarding the latter, it's not difficult to create a policy that's non-racist in construction, but has reliably racist results. Correlated parameters, etc. Whether anything can or should be done about it is a thornier question.

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