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Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by handrous »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #71
GeekyBear wrote: post #48

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The M1 chips that have been released certainly can't compete on core count against desktop chips with Zen 3 cores, but compared to the laptop versions of Ryzen, the M1 is absolutely not being eaten for breakfast. >The chips here aren’t only able to outclass any competitor laptop design, but also competes against the best desktop systems out there, you’d have to bring out server-class hardware to get ahead of the M1 M…

This article is one of the few anandtech articles which is just straight up wrong and/or incomplete on many points, notably only comparing to (relatively) old desktop chips. A 5900HX (released in January) scores 50% higher on multithreading on cinebench, and equal on single threaded tests like Geekbench. A 5900HX is available on laptops that start at $2500, unlike the $4000 that a macbook pro would run you. So, reall…

> Battery life doesn't matter, just plug your damn laptop, it's throttling itself if it's not plugged in anyways.

Counterpoint: battery life and, for the first time in my life, being able to treat my laptop as actually portable and not have to carry a power brick and mouse (because other touchpads were so terrible) everywhere is the main thing that sold me on Macs, initially, after ~15 years of my computing life being totally Mac-free.

It sold me fast. Turned me from "pft, Macs, OK, whatever, they're nothing special" to "huh, maybe there's something to this" to "I'm never buying anything but a Mac again until competitors can match [list of features I now wouldn't want to give up]" in like a month.

Sadly, no other vendors seem close to closing that gap. Macs remain a category of their own. Not a great situation.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #130
riquito wrote: post #49

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You're confirming OP point though, you didn't upgrade in 8 years, because for your use case it was good enough and not worth the expense

If they had instead bought a $700 laptop 8 years ago, they likely would have had to upgrade several times by now.

800 dollar laptops today are more durable than M1 with max 16 GB of RAM at double the price, because their RAM is actually upgradable most of the time.

It's so funny see Mac fans argue about everything and its contrary that it's worth the obvious down votes.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #120
dijit wrote: post #100

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> Is it a luxury product or an entry level one? Obviously: Both. The absolute "entry" point is the Mac mini. The MacBook Air a low spec "luxury" quality device for people who want a well built laptop (that has decent battery life and a good screen) but do not have heavy demands on performance. If your argument is discounts then I don't support that pricing model (unpredictable frenetic oscillation) anyway. And, yah,…

I bet the hardware will be working 10 years from now as well. Apples tends to use great hardware even if it is sometimes a little underperformative compared to PCs at the same price point.

my 3 Mac laptops sitting on a shelf because the batteries gave up multiple times are laughing at you.

I spent on them a fortune in total, and they broke, pathetically.

I tried, believe me.

Mac HW quality is just another myth.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

simonh wrote: post #101
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #88

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> The price seems to be comparable to premium lines of PC's. How many times people said that the Air is the "entry level" "low budget" Mac? Which one is true? Is it a luxury product or an entry level one? I can quote many comments saying both things in the same thread. Anyway, no company pays Lenovo full price and their discount policies are far more aggressive than Apple's. There's a reason: Apple doesn't undersell,…

Why can’t a luxury product range have entry level models? Even Ferrari has cars ranging in price from $220k up to $1m. Search for “Ferrari entry-level” and you’ll get plenty of hits using that phrase for various Portofino, Spider and Roma configurations.

That's not what they say: they say it's cheap.

Luxury is never cheap.

An M1 can't be both entry level and better than high end models at the same price tag, at the same time (that's what they say).

They are not in fact.

Please leave Ferrari alone, they actually make cars that last for decades.

Apple doesn't.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #116
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #21

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well, truth is Apple MacBook Air 13 with 16 GB of RAM is listed at € 1.429 on the Italian Apple web site. My sister bought a Lenovo thinkbook with a Ryzen 7, 16 GB of RAM (upgradable up to 32) for € 729 My 3D artist friend an Asus ROG 14 with an NVidia GPU and 32GB of RAM for € 1.780 and he's using it to render complex scenes. Does the increase in performance justify the ridiculous price? It doesn't, in my opinion. A…

Not everyone has the same end user needs as your friends, so they're choices are just as valid.

And who said they are not valid?

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by herpderperator »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #112
ericls wrote: post #94

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If it can run linux, it can conquer data center

In it's current form I don't think so. It's not optimized for DC/enterprise. It certainly has potential though.

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/12/amazon-ec...

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

gigatexal wrote: post #92
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #82

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> But how many HP/Dell/Lenovo etc laptops do you have from 2013 that still run like new? many I don't see many old macs around, because they're harder and more expensive to repair. > if replaced every year that's a big if. The assumption is that Pro market will drive general adoption. It's a false premise. Pro market, especially Apple Pro market, it's predictive of exactly nothing.

> But how many HP/Dell/Lenovo etc laptops do you have from 2013 that still run like new? >> many I find that hard to believe. You're claiming plastic race-to-the-bottom laptop pc makers are building machines that last as long as all aluminium premium Macs? Fat chance. Re the software issue, yeah, that's a pain. I do plan on putting Linux on it when I replace it with another Mac laptop, probably a M1. But that just fu…

> find that hard to believe. You're claiming plastic race-to-the-bottom laptop pc makers are building machines that last as long as all aluminium premium Macs? Fat chance.

I'm not saying that, at all.

I am saying that people keep reasonably priced hardware for longer than Mac owners because they don't have money to waste and can actually repair and upgrade them for cheap.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by tonguez »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #132
MathCodeLove wrote: post #130

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If they had instead bought a $700 laptop 8 years ago, they likely would have had to upgrade several times by now.

800 dollar laptops today are more durable than M1 with max 16 GB of RAM at double the price, because their RAM is actually upgradable most of the time. It's so funny see Mac fans argue about everything and its contrary that it's worth the obvious down votes.

"800 dollar laptops today are more durable ... because their RAM is ... upgradable"

I think the word durable has more of a connotation of being resistant to damage rather than meaning "able to be used for a long time".

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by 2fast4you »

specialist wrote: post #105
hbbio wrote: post #3

The progress on all fronts is really impressive, and even the write-up is top notch. The pace at which the team advances is incredible, as it seems Apple support is minimal... Maybe the core tech users is negligible to Apple, but it shouldn't be: Winning over the power users generally precedes larger adoption and I wouldn't be surprised if Macs continue to gain market share in the years to come with their CPU lead.

Totally. I'm not the target audience for Asahi as a daily driver. But I've used Linux to repurpose (life extension) my older macs. So this work is fills me with joy and appreciation. Also, the comparison of A14 and M1 (aka "A14X") gives me hope that I can eventually repurpose my old iPads and iPhones. There was an iPodLinux project, back in the day. I have no idea what the options are today.

Once asahi is stable, I would seriously consider buying a MacBook to use as my daily driver

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by monocasa »

herpderperator wrote: post #136
stjohnswarts wrote: post #112

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In it's current form I don't think so. It's not optimized for DC/enterprise. It certainly has potential though.

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/12/amazon-ec...

That's more of a 'if you have everything else in the data center, then you can have this too for consistency's sake' than something to move traditional data center workloads to.
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