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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by fho »

clessg wrote: post #119
fho wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be surprised how far contrast (and cursive, bold, etc) can get you. Eg: https://github.com/fxn/vim-monochrome edit: Also, and probably a lot more controversial, code structure matters a lot. No syntax highlighting will save you if your code consists of opaque blocks of text.

My favorite part of that example is the language it's written in :) I'm sold!

I had to look that up ... is that Euphoria?

As stated above, I think that how the code is structured also heavily influences readability. Maybe even more than syntax highlighting.

Case in point: I was fortunate enough to work on a Haskell project some time ago ... and one of my colleagues from another team at asked me how I manage to make my code look that concise. No secret there, it is just pretty easy if the language is that expressive.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by reacharavindh »

sktrdie wrote: post #83

Serious question: wouldn't just turning preferences of a normal monitor to black/white give you the same result? And is e-ink really better for eyes? Not sure I've seen research in this regard.

Interesting question. Now, I’m curious myself. True that LCD panels need backlight and may not be true equivalent in black& white mode. However, we have many OLED panels now. Would OLED panels in black & white work for this case?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by tw04 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

> There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support.

You think in 2021, when I'd argue the majority of folks that own a laptop are working remote, there's huge demand for a laptop that can't display a video feed from a zoom or WebEx meeting? That sounds extremely unlikely to me. I'd wager the demand for such a device would measure in the thousands and would never be cheap enough to sell more than a couple hundred.

You'd be far, far better off just making a Bluetooth keyboard case (like the old clamcase or brydge cases) for a boox and calling it good. You'd have an ssh terminal and basic office apps as supported by Android.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by fho »

lloeki wrote: post #128
WJW wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit that that example did more than I expected with the limited tools it has, but it is still rather far from the things full color highlighting can do.

I remember having a chat with Andrew Gerrand at some Go conference, about how syntax highlighting is mostly done wrong, we just got used to it being that way. It's not like we colour words in a sentence based on their type, but we do enjoy tools highlighting misspelled words or grammatical errors. In my experience syntax highlighting as a tool mostly help with certain classes of errors (e.g unclosed string or comment…

Somewhat tangential: but I love the LiquidHaskell demos, mostly because they show what would be possible if our tools would just be a tiny bit smarter.

Example:

    1. Goto here: http://goto.ucsd.edu:8090/index.html#?demo=Order.hs
    2. Run Check, it should turn green
    3. Break the code, e.g. turn around the >= sign in line 147
    4. Run Check again, it will turn red and highlight line 147 and 148
What happened here?

We told the compiler that elements in an ordered list will be in increasing order (l.119). Now the compiler is able to check that constraint and by turning around the comparison we violated the it.

Ie by telling the compiler a tiny bit about our goals (have ordered lists) it is now able to check that our algorithm is correct.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

TruthWillHurt wrote: post #130
dspillett wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they have some wizz-bang new tech that no one else is using yet, which they would shout about if they were, with eInk you can pretty much say “if your use case makes you care much about refresh rates then eInk isn't a good choice for you ATM”.

I agree, but even among e-ink displays there are refresh rates that make it difficult to enter text or view terminal output.

In text editing, I even set refresh in batched bursts of max 500ms (a few chars per display update), to be battery conservative. No problem.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by nhumrich »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

What you _can_ do, is buy the boox lumi, a 13 inch Android e-unk tablet. Then get a Bluetooth keyboard folio for it. You now essentially have a 13 inch laptop chromebook.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by gonehome »

h2odragon wrote: post #2

$800 to pre-order. (Corrected: $1800 for the pre-order, $800 for the smaller one) E-ink is one of those great technologies that seems like it has potential but won't "arrive" until after the patents all expire.

Rumor I heard from someone in the industry is that the patents have expired, but now the original holder pressures the few fabs to refuse work from competitors or get black balled.

As a results it’s extremely hard for new people to enter the industry and the original e-ink people have zero interest in actually building stuff vs. just leveraging this kind of power to screw others and keep margins high.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

If you just want it for reading, you could buy a $200 laptop and use this as an external display. If you're not running hot you could leave your laptop closed inside a backpack or case while you used it. Still kind of fiddly but it sounds good to me.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by JKCalhoun »

breakfastduck wrote: post #57
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

Not ready for primetime? Is it the button on the side of the display so that a user can manually refresh it?

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by 3pt14159 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

No colour. I want an e-ink with syntax highlighting. This is great and all, but even 16 base colours would go a long, long way. Oh also, would be nice if it were built into a MBP and I could switch between monitor types quickly, but I know that's a pipedream.
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