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Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by native_samples »

pwdisswordfish9 wrote: post #69
denofevil wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whole architecture of Fleet is distributed, so we need a small binary without dependencies that could be uploaded to the dev container. All the access goes through that binary (even in local case)

It's interesting and says something about the state of tooling that, in response to those requirements, it was easier to switch to an entirely different language and ecosystem than it was to build off the existing work and convince the toolchain you were using to produce output with those properties.

Well, you can make standalone binaries with both Kotlin and Java these days, so this may be related to when Fleet was started rather than how you'd do it in 2021.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by bjustin »

amcoastal wrote: post #96
cedws wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No wonder developers complain about sluggishness and running out of memory when they're literally using a headless web browser to write code. Sublime Text works brilliantly. I can have tens of projects, hundreds of files open and the memory usage is peanuts. I don't get the hype about "modern" IDEs let alone remote IDEs.

I'm sure you already know this, but I used to use sublime text and moved to an IDE because of the debugging features. Sublime text and a terminal is great for simple problems, but you'll cost yourself a lot of time doing print statements when you could just use an IDE.

Sublime Text is handy for doing text manipulation and jumping around files. I use it in addition to Xcode for that sort of thing. I know some vim but not enough to use it this way. I hope Fleet is closer to ST in speed than I’ve heard VSCode is sometimes.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by moogly »

ygra wrote: post #83
nathantotten wrote: post #70

While they don’t specifically say what the “language server” is, if it’s the same protocol that powers VS Code[1], this is a big deal. It potentially means that language owners can build tooling that works across IDEs much more easily. Historically, JetBrains seems to have resisted the idea of a standard language protocol (which makes sense as it comes from Microsoft). My guess is it’s becoming impractical to reimple…

At least with TypeScript, they've been using the official language server for a while. Sadly they still fall back onto their own JS-esque 'guess what this could be' mode in some situations where vanilla TS would have just emitted an error that the respective module could not be found. For C# Rider supports Roslyn analyzers and code fixers as well, though I don't know with what performance impact (as ReSharper isn't b…

IMO, WebStorm's TS support is much better than VSCode's, especially the refactorings.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by axegon_ »

native_samples wrote: post #130
axegon_ wrote: post #99

I am not sure how I feel about this. JetBrains either get things very right or very wrong. At this point I feel like there a pattern: Their desktop applications(IDEs) are usually great. However, my experience with their server-side solutions(teamcity, upsource) has been nothing short of explosive diarrhea. With the "remote" word tossed in there, I'm not entirely optimistic.

Hmm my experiences with TeamCity have been very good.

I'll take anything over teamcity. Even jenkins. I don't think I can go any lower than that in this universe.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by denalii »

native_samples wrote: post #130
axegon_ wrote: post #99

I am not sure how I feel about this. JetBrains either get things very right or very wrong. At this point I feel like there a pattern: Their desktop applications(IDEs) are usually great. However, my experience with their server-side solutions(teamcity, upsource) has been nothing short of explosive diarrhea. With the "remote" word tossed in there, I'm not entirely optimistic.

Hmm my experiences with TeamCity have been very good.

Used it at a former job along with YouTrack and UpSource. It was super nice having everything natively integrating with each other.

Of course then you deal with the relatively high JB prices for everything (not including IDEs even) and vendor lock.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by filereaper »

noworriesnate wrote: post #115
hhariri wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've announced Remote Development support today https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/11/29/introducing-remot...

Cool! What's the relationship between JetBrains Fleet, JetBrains Projector[1], and Remote Development? [1] https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/?utm_source=product&utm_m...

Yes, I'm on the EAP builds and was confused by this exact set of overlapping products.

It would be nice if JetBrains added a feature matrix or disambiguated when and where each product is suitable for.

Also obligatory: https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by topazas »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #37
hhariri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

This bug is quite telling: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-276949 It is marked as fixed but it is not yet released. If you look inside, you will see that HTTP Proxy authentication has been broken for almost a year. Many corporate users are behind such proxies, and they suffer. This kind of bugs should be utmost priority, because they directly impact the cashflow.

same to me - sad story every day..

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by filereaper »

The new JetBrains products seem targetted at VSCode and specifically its remote code offerings.

I've liked JetBrains and I'm paying their license but the current $249.00 yearly fee is still too high and I fall back to VSCode frequently.

The $249.00 fee covers all of their IDEs but I don't need the .NET IDE's if I'm working on JVM languages or CLion or GoLand for instance. I was hoping for something like "Pick 2-3" IDEs for a certain fee, like say $129 for Scala, DataGrip & PyCharm, oriented towards common clusters of vertical stacks devs normally use.

I understand that $249 may not be a large amount for many folks here, but JetBrains isn't the only development tool I'm buying and supporting with a yearly license.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by tomjen3 »

filereaper wrote: post #138

The new JetBrains products seem targetted at VSCode and specifically its remote code offerings. I've liked JetBrains and I'm paying their license but the current $249.00 yearly fee is still too high and I fall back to VSCode frequently. The $249.00 fee covers all of their IDEs but I don't need the .NET IDE's if I'm working on JVM languages or CLion or GoLand for instance. I was hoping for something like "Pick 2-3" ID…

Out of curiosity, what other tools are you paying for?
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