Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands • Hacker News Board

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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Post by ryan_lane » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM UTC

disneygibson wrote: post #122

pwthornton wrote: post #31

One of the things that causes littering is a lack of trash cans or a lack of non-filled trash cans. Not all littering (or throwing recycling in the trash) is done out of pure malice. If you make it easy for people to throw trash out, they generally will. If you make it hard to throw trash out, many will litter. Stronger fines and other enforcement would help, but the first thing is to make sure that you actually have…

Tokyo has very few trash cans yet not much litter. It’s a cultural problem, not an engineering or city planning one.

Tokyo used to have a lot of trash cans and removed them after a terrorist attack. I think everyone would prefer to have the trash cans. It absolutely sucks to carry around your trash for hours, and not everyone does it.

People do litter here, but there's an army of old people that clean the streets... like this article is suggesting.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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Post by pharmakom » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 7:48 AM UTC

spoonjim wrote: post #117

m0llusk wrote: post #109

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And yet that is completely unrealistic. The City currently funds weekly teams clearing out all the most troubled areas and that costs a fantastic amount up front as well as competing for increasingly precious landfill space. Defining the job of public works to be picking up all the trash that veritable armies of homeless generate does not make that job possible. You are absolutely and undeniably using your imaginatio…

Well the “armies of homeless” are also a public policy failure. If the homeless policy across the 50 largest American cities was identical, there would not be so many homeless in SF.

Don’t think so. There are cultural differences, weather differences, etc.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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Post by jijji » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 2:35 AM UTC

wolverine876 wrote: post #55

jijji wrote: post #47

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I'll be honest in my area I'm out in a suburban part a Florida about 50 miles outside of Tampa and people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come b…

> people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come back they get arrested... so you just don't see homeless people and all that kind of stuff out whe…

> I don't equate the two

In response to this, I'd say that I do equate the two. a lot of people think that you can help homeless people. but for most homeless people being homeless is a symptom of a greater problem. the problem is usually drugs. and I'm sure that's not true for all 100% of the cases but I'd be willing to bet that it's true for about 80 to 90% of the cases. you can give a homeless person a million dollars, and a large percentage of those people will use that money to squander it on things like drugs and other things that degrade their behavior and not improve it so that's the only reason I'd say I equate the two. drug abuse is a direct affect of what causes someone to become homeless. homelessness like I said for most situations is a direct result of being a drug addict and having mental illness caused by drug abuse, specifically crystal methamphetamine. I have hundreds of rentals and I see this everyday, and I'd say it's getting worse because 20 years ago there was not as many mentally ill people caused by drug abuse as there is today and specifically crystal methamphetamine. crystal methamphetamine the way that it's produced the last 15 years it produces permanent psychosis and brain damage it literally turns your brain into Swiss cheese so to say that drug abuse isn't related to homelessness means that you're just not looking into the correlation as much as you should be and it might be just because of a lack of experience.