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Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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I think it’s different - there was an old post by an early FB employee who has no ability to visualize images after a head injury and has to adapt as a result for that. Thinking of images is also different than thinking of words (since all of us speak the language). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that I suspect its more likely a lack of introspection - I’d need to be persuaded empirically somehow and don’t know…

> Thinking of images is also different than thinking of words (since all of us speak the language). No more of speak the language than see with our eyes. Personally while I do have some kind of inner voice, my thoughts tend much more heavily to the visual. And memories too. If I need to recall a phone number or spelling then I'll imagine it written.

Thanks - something for me to think about. These HN threads do have a history of changing my mind (or at least softening my position) on topics where the true answer can be harder to know.

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I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Well here is one other random sample who has to turn the inner voice on when necessary :) Instead of a voice I have a constant song playing in my head when I am not focused. The song changes multiple times per week but if I am on idle I have a song. When I speak the song turns off, but no voice comes on, unless I consciously prepare my words. Now when typing this comment, I have a voice (which is my own voice) say th…

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Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Five years ago, the avegant glyph seemed reasonably small for an HMD (well, if you could get it without the earphones). I feel like we've regressed from that point.

That HMD only had a FoV of 45 degrees. The current technology which is production ready is optics using pancake lenses. For an example look at Huawei's VR glasses or HTC's Vive Flow.

Yea, I actually consider the smaller FOV a feature. Doesn't necessarily have to be 45 degrees, but I'm not interested in covering my entire field of view. I want a monitor for work, not for games and movies. Immersion doesn't matter, but the comfort of not needing to cup my eyes sure does.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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That's odd. Can you silence the voice? Do you exert influence over it?

If I start trying, it completely goes away, replaced by my monologue. I'm sure a lot of people know that feeling where you very intentionally drive your own internal voice. I can do that. I think it's related to my ADHD. Reading is very difficult because as I read, my voice just completely wanders off, CONSTANTLY. "Oh hey, 'gargantuan' that's a great word. Reminds me of a video game monster... Oh did you just read 2…

Relevant book:

The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind Paperback – by Julian Jaynes

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

this could be a dialog from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Walking_(film)

I linked a clip from this movie to OP before I saw your reference. Great minds think alike!

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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I've always been a bit perplexed by the claim of not having an inner monologue, but after reading the replies to your comment I wonder if I'm closer to not having an inner monologue than having one. I thought it was about not being able to summon an inner voice at all. Regardless, it's fascinating to read peoples descriptions and see that it lies on a spectrum. I definitely experience it when reading & writing carefu…

May I ask you if your inner voice has an accent, can you recognize a tone to it? It was very weird when I realized that other people can imagine their thoughts having a physical voice.

When I do have it, it does have a sound and sounds mostly like me.

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Is it that much different from aphantasia? My sister cannot "see" anything in her mind at all, whereas for me mental images are so strong that I sometimes stop seeing the world in front of my eyes in favor of the one in my head. That's a pretty radical difference in a "base level" feature.

I think it’s different - there was an old post by an early FB employee who has no ability to visualize images after a head injury and has to adapt as a result for that. Thinking of images is also different than thinking of words (since all of us speak the language). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that I suspect its more likely a lack of introspection - I’d need to be persuaded empirically somehow and don’t know…

My introspection is quite good on this; I've been doing meditation on and off for decades. Sorry, but I don't have an internal narrator. Instead, the meditative interruptions that come with words are generally imagined discussions with other people or things to write about.

Like you, I had a hard time believing people were different in this. The whole idea of an internal narrator seemed absurd to me. Why would anybody need a narrator for themselves? They're right there! But enough people claim that this is their real life that I'm willing to believe it, however tedious and exhausting that sounds to me.

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If I start trying, it completely goes away, replaced by my monologue. I'm sure a lot of people know that feeling where you very intentionally drive your own internal voice. I can do that. I think it's related to my ADHD. Reading is very difficult because as I read, my voice just completely wanders off, CONSTANTLY. "Oh hey, 'gargantuan' that's a great word. Reminds me of a video game monster... Oh did you just read 2…

This is called discursive thought and is very common. The goal of non-dual mediation is to recognize these thoughts and realize they are not you.

They are you; they are a part of you, but they are not all of you. They are as much you as your foot or your eye is you. You are not an atomic entity.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Interestingly there are people like myself who don't have an inner monologue (some people supposedly even have a constant dialogue with themselves) at all. The only time I experience something like an inner voice is when reading. My normal thoughts are more abstract I guess, I'm just sort of aware of what I want to do, how I feel etc. It's hard to describe.

I've always been a bit perplexed by the claim of not having an inner monologue, but after reading the replies to your comment I wonder if I'm closer to not having an inner monologue than having one. I thought it was about not being able to summon an inner voice at all. Regardless, it's fascinating to read peoples descriptions and see that it lies on a spectrum. I definitely experience it when reading & writing carefu…

Now I feel like I need to read the study to better understand the definition.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

That’s not how this worked though. The guy focused on individual letters and imagined himself writing them.
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