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Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by acdha »

loceng wrote: post #116
distantsounds wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that has nowhere near the same efficacy.

C19ivermectin.com - which includes well done and poorly done studies - lists 86% reduction with prophylaxis treatment. You'll believe and weight a single study done by the company looking to make billions via a new patented drug over many third-party studies of a cheap off-patent drug though, won't you?

No, that site is anonymous for a reason: the information presented hasn’t passed scientific review and relies on various methodological and analytic errors to show positive effects.

https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111...

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by pell »

blackbear_ wrote: post #123
matsemann wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the consequence of not taking it is death, I think people would run to the front of the queue, though.

Soo, kinda like for a vaccine? (And to clarify what I am saying, even though the vaccine does prevent death, there is still considerable push back. Not sure why it will be different for this drug)

From what I understand it's taken once an infection is already established. Maybe it's easier to convince the "skeptics" under those circumstances to take potentially life-saving medicine.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by civilized »

tsywke44 wrote: post #112
civilized wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that crowd will hate on this new drug. It's from Big Pharma, very expensive, it's probably full of GMOs and brain-controlling chips from Bill Gates. They'll stick with their cheap, generic ivermectin.

No they won’t. conspiracy theories are based on instincts and emotions not any science or rationality. pills are basically just food(=good) to the subconscious lizard brain, zero negative connotations from evolution, zero conspiracy theories

But if that were an iron truth, wouldn't people be comfortable with GMOs?

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by DavidPeiffer »

charbull wrote: post #9

The data sample is a bit low? 1200 people

To mention it, not necessarily directed at you. Larger test groups are required when trying to distinguish between less effective treatments.

If rabies has a 99% death rate and you try your rabies treatment on 10 people, 9 of whom live, that's much stronger evidence than a situation where 50% of people died without treatment versus 48% with treatment (sample size 100). To be confident it's not just random chance, you'll need a really large sample size for the 2nd situation.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by dontcare007 »

matsemann wrote: post #106
roenxi wrote: post #86

> This is a completely novel molecule... Then do we understand the risk profile of this thing? That sounds like the sort of innovation that people would want to be at the back of the queue for. Side effects don't have to happen in the next 6 months.

If the consequence of not taking it is death, I think people would run to the front of the queue, though.

But that's just it, there's less than a 2% chance of dying even if you get COVID.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by politician »

tsywke44 wrote: post #101
RicoElectrico wrote: post #50

We had reports of people who wanted to take weird-ass drugs-of-the-day just to refuse getting vaccinated. And screaming "conspiracy" when their efficacy was not confirmed to be as high as they expected. Good that we have something that actually works, bad that some assholes will use it as an excuse not to get vaxxed, completely missing the point (among others, trying to prevent something worse than Delta).

The same antivaxxers who ”refuse to take experiemental drugs from big pharma Pfizer” will gobble this pill down no questions asked. Which just proves, the anti-vaxxer moment is based on the primitive instinct of ”pain and needles=bad” Being scared of vaccines should be considered the same thing as having a fear of dentists. Or pets hating going to the vet.

Do open random executables that you get in your email? If not, why not?

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by School-Cotton »

colordrops wrote: post #110

Does anyone have a sense as to when US society will completely eliminate COVID measures? Is it just me or is there no clear exit criteria anymore? This will go on forever without exit criteria.

It seems like we are experiencing a very slow and gradual offramp from the restrictions, rather than something that will have a clearly defined endpoint.

2021 is already "mostly normal", for me. I hope sometime in 2022 we will be back to "100% normal", but I'm not confident.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by djrogers »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #50

We had reports of people who wanted to take weird-ass drugs-of-the-day just to refuse getting vaccinated. And screaming "conspiracy" when their efficacy was not confirmed to be as high as they expected. Good that we have something that actually works, bad that some assholes will use it as an excuse not to get vaxxed, completely missing the point (among others, trying to prevent something worse than Delta).

> completely missing the point (among others, trying to prevent something worse than Delta)

Given that there isn’t a ton of data showing that vaccination actually reduces infection or transmission, and all of the clinical studies before approval were based on hospitals death, I don’t think you can claim that’s ‘the point’.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by overboard2 »

tsywke44 wrote: post #101
RicoElectrico wrote: post #50

We had reports of people who wanted to take weird-ass drugs-of-the-day just to refuse getting vaccinated. And screaming "conspiracy" when their efficacy was not confirmed to be as high as they expected. Good that we have something that actually works, bad that some assholes will use it as an excuse not to get vaxxed, completely missing the point (among others, trying to prevent something worse than Delta).

The same antivaxxers who ”refuse to take experiemental drugs from big pharma Pfizer” will gobble this pill down no questions asked. Which just proves, the anti-vaxxer moment is based on the primitive instinct of ”pain and needles=bad” Being scared of vaccines should be considered the same thing as having a fear of dentists. Or pets hating going to the vet.

I doubt it.

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