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The snark of providing the timestamps as unredacted values was fabulous.
I don't know if it's a snark. It's probably the right thing to provide legally. It's literally the records they have.
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The snark of providing the timestamps as unredacted values was fabulous.
I don't know if it's a snark. It's probably the right thing to provide legally. It's literally the records they have.
It's probably fine here, but if you store it in binary, you should probably parse it into something human-readable.
While I applaud Signal's response I expect this entire event (subpoena and response) will be provided as one of the exhibits to congress by the Department of Justice to justify their request that it be unlawful to provide such services. The DoJ will say, "See, here is this horrible crime we are investigating and because this company chose to make it impossible for law enforcement, with a warrant and a subpoena to get…
please stop asking for mandatory phone number to register and use Signal.
This raises privacy concerns and negates all the end-to-end encryption goodness you're offering.
While I applaud Signal's response I expect this entire event (subpoena and response) will be provided as one of the exhibits to congress by the Department of Justice to justify their request that it be unlawful to provide such services. The DoJ will say, "See, here is this horrible crime we are investigating and because this company chose to make it impossible for law enforcement, with a warrant and a subpoena to get…
Nothing any company can do about that. Spying programs and laws will only worsen unless people really voice their concerns and elect the right people.
I very much suspect that who is elected has nearly zero effect on spying programs.
It’s easy so say net win for society is privacy. But it’s important to also acknowledge it does come at a cost — there exists criminal behavior that most reasonable people would agree is bad and should be stopped that may reach a dead end with services like Signal. In formulating your statement that examining criminal behavior is a problem, you are suggesting there shouldn’t be ways to uncover crimes.
The widespread abuse of power in government agencies makes this argument a little naive imo. The vast majority of what they do has very little effect on anyone's safety. I'd rather be able to communicate privately and let people keep selling drugs if they want to.
doing a lot of work here. To what degree is that simply anti-governmental sentiment rather than an honest evaluation of the agencies in question?
Say you'd be living in a narco neighborhood in Mexico were cartels regularly shoot civilians up in private wars, have you considered how badly institutions could do in comparison?
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> What you can't do, is click on a button to spy on people There's a subpoena in this process that you're glossing over. You can argue that's too easy or too secretive or something, and that's more than fair, but it's not just 'clicking a button'.
Sub poena is basically a rubber stamp after filling out a form. Often done in secret with the barest of oversight. A warrant requires a bit more justification at least.
Do you have a source for that?
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Yes, although the way around this for law enforcement is to pressure Apple and Google to remove Signal from the App Store/Play respectively (to protect children!) and work on operating system level bypasses of Signal. I am fearing this scenario.
For android that will be annoying to users: sideloading is a bit technical. For iOS users, that will be a death knell.
You press the only non-"give up" button at each stage and you're done.
Remember that Fortnite succeeded in convincing people to do this by the millions. It's not hard.
It’s easy so say net win for society is privacy. But it’s important to also acknowledge it does come at a cost — there exists criminal behavior that most reasonable people would agree is bad and should be stopped that may reach a dead end with services like Signal. In formulating your statement that examining criminal behavior is a problem, you are suggesting there shouldn’t be ways to uncover crimes.
Absolutely.
>In formulating your statement that examining criminal behavior is a problem, you are suggesting there shouldn’t be ways to uncover crimes.
I didn't get that at all. Before Signal and other encrypted apps, folks who didn't want to be spied upon would meet in person, in private places or write messages in code.
That didn't stop the police from bringing down many criminals, such as Al Capone, the New York Mafia and many others, did it? Nope, it didn't.
What you seem to be advocating is that everyone's privacy should be forfeited so police can get information without doing, you know, police work.
I'm all for bringing criminals (especially violent ones) to justice. But I'm not willing to give up my privacy so that police can spend their time eating donuts instead of their jobs.
Feel free to disagree, but I'm going to keep using Signal and be glad of it -- not because I'm involved in criminal activity, but because I value my privacy.