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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by hnaccy »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

>It doesn't matter that you're probably right.

I guess reality does have a well known liberal bias :)

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by Miner49er »

perihelions wrote: post #94
tragictrash wrote: post #14

Isn't this defamation? Would the reporter in question have a case against the Governor here? IANAL, would love an explanation of how I'm wrong by someone more knowledgeable.

Probably no, because all the important alleged facts appear to be public. Expressing opinions (including wrong ones) is not defamatory in the US, and an inference based on disclosed, public facts is an opinion. "X broke the law" isn't a fact in this narrow sense; rather it's an inference drawn from a set of facts. e.g. (Volokh) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... /not-a-lawyer

Calling someone a hacker when they are clearly not remotely hacking, and saying they exposed private info when in fact it was the government, both seems like things that could be defemation to me.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by vadfa »

otterley wrote: post #69
anovikov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

I largely agree with the sentiment that we need more plumbers than liberal arts graduates. One answer, though, is "why not be both?" Post-secondary education, regardless of the specific major a student chooses, does provide a significant benefit to society: especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically. Perhaps this skill could be taught earlier during secondary education, but at least in…

>especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically

Is this a thing only in the US? I went to university in Europe and there were 0 subjects that were unrelated to the (STEM) degree I chose. It was all 100% technical stuff.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by charonn0 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> You're alienating people like me from being on your side.

On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem. On the other side are ignorant and/or dishonest actors out to avoid being embarrassed.

It's all on you if you pick the wrong one out of loyalty to a political party.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by jimt1234 »

Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

Politically speaking, this can only be a victory for the governor. In conservative political theater, any association with "standing up to the liberal media" is valuable. Furthermore, if/when this whole thing fails in the courts, either conservative voters will never know about it, or the legal defeat will only contribute to the "standing up to the liberal media" narrative.

At this point, it's all about getting on Trump's radar in order to secure his VP nomination in 2024. I totally believe that's what's going on here - political posturing.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by jorblumesea »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

How is it alienating to point out a trend that's clearly happening? I feel like this is exactly the problem, where refusing to acknowledge the problem is the problem. "Please don't bring these issues up, it's a problem I don't want to deal with".

Are we expected to just pretend like there's not this huge anti-science movement on the Right because your feelings might get hurt? Look at all the anti mask, anti vaccine rhetoric. This isn't ok.

Plenty of problems on the Left too, and we should talk about those too.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by kanbara »

JCharante wrote: post #117
anovikov wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who take up STEM, are of course of different type, and for them, surely college is a net benefit. But that kind of people would go to college even 50 or 70 years ago already. All paranormal increase of college admissions in the last decades came from precisely those people who are getting those bullshit degrees just because they are the only ones they can get, and they feel compelled to get some kind of a coll…

Even STEM degrees could be optimized. Most of what I've learned is not applicable to software dev, but at least some of the classes (like foreign language) were neat, although college classrooms are a suboptimal way to study that.

as a sw dev / sre / engineer with 10+ years of experience, i can say that without a doubt the skills one learns that are not hard STEM courses and programming are 100% useful. i need engineers with critical thinking, a sense of empathy, eloquence, and a host of other social skills that lots of nerds-turned-comp-sci-student lack

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by arcticbull »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side.

Every group of humans - indeed, thanks to the central limit theorem, every sufficiently large sampling - is going to be normally distributed and there are going to be folks on either side offset from the mean.

However, that doesn't indicate that the mean isn't interesting or worthwhile to discuss, and isn't representative of the group as a whole.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by mLuby »

Animats wrote: post #102
notreallyserio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like he’s part of the Strong Man party and cannot be allowed to be wrong. I don’t think it’s purely political, some people just can’t be reasoned with.

"The Führer is always right".[1] Robert_Ley, 1941. History has seen this before. It doesn't end well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip

I wonder if there are moderation tools out there that identify who first proves Godwin's Law in a given thread.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by nsxwolf »

gremIin wrote: post #66
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

It's the southern strategy at work. It's not about what is true or what is morally right. It's about not letting *the other team* get any wins. This is why they needed to pretend COVID wasn't a big deal, because otherwise you are admitting that *the other team* was right.

That appears to be everyone's strategy.
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