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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by dorchadas »

saddlerustle wrote: post #123
dorchadas wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It doesn't make sense to ban short-term rentals but continue to build hotels and run advertising campaigns promoting tourism to Amsterdam Why doesn't it? Why should tourists get to say in the same type of places as locals, often at the expense of locals? To me, it makes perfect sense to ban short-term rentals but still let tourists stay in hotels and places meant for them, without taking up real estate that can be…

Hotels are also real estate that could be used for residences.

The difference is that there are areas specifically zoned for hotels, for tourists, and they're included in city planning. What is happening with AirBnB, and short-term rentals like it, is that areas that weren't included for tourists in city planning are now being turned for that purpose, at the expense of the locals who they are planed/zoned for. It's two very different dynamics, and even comes into play with city planning, and AirBnB is completely ruining it, and thus ruining it for the locals. Hotels are already included in planning, and are not taking away places where the locals could live.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by ralfn »

toshk wrote: post #101
nikanj wrote: post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

Not completely. Most were dormant advertisements. There is not a big tourist tax here; the biggest tax evasions for private people is probably on their income tax level, but that's not solved by this. The direct issue it addresses is the take over of many tourists of certain neighborhoods meant for living. The favorite hobby of habitants of Amsterdam is complaining about tourists. The fight against Airbnb is a symbol…

>The fight against Airbnb is a symbolic fight for the left winged parties in the city.

That is just bullshit. The people complaining about their AirBnB neighbours are mostly in Zuid. Definitely in not Social housing.

Please don't start projecting left/right schoolyard tribe politics in an international context. You embarrass our country.

Usage of the phrase "left" and "right" is already dumb when Americans do it. But at least with their first past the pole democracy it is somewhat fitting.

We have many political parties that differ in more than one dimension. From immigration to taxation to gay rights.

Just go back to Dumpert already.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by jacquesm »

FredPret wrote: post #120
jacquesm wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whole buildings were purposefully converted to illegal hotels. It's been a factor in rising property prices and housing shortages. Less tourism is one of the unexpected bonuses of COVID-19.

There's a whole class of society that won't think of decreased tourism as a good thing

I realize this, even so, for Amsterdam it was a very much needed reprieve.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by dorchadas »

mandmandam wrote: post #100
dorchadas wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how a few individuals can flood the short-term rental market in an area. And, if it's like some cities (Dublin, Galway), they do this at the expense of the long-term rental market.

Poor Galway. The rental situation there is utterly bananas; while buildings are lying vacant for years in the heart of the city. Yes, the rest of the country is like this too, but for whatever reason Galway seems to have it extra bad; I know families that have split up over it.

Yeah, I know how bad it was when I was trying to find a spot in 2016; I can only imagine now. I actually dread trying to stay in Dublin after I finish this masters (I'm an international post-grad, so I was able to avail of UCD's scheme for on-campus living thankfully), but I almost dread going to Galway more (though ideally, that's where I'll be).

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by dorchadas »

jacquesm wrote: post #124
sumedh wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In this case, a hotel booking site without hotels. It did not start out as a hotel booking service though.

How it started out is irrelevant, how it is today is what matters.

And didn't AirBnB start out in dubious circumstances too? I seem to recall reading something about it, but can't find it now.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Etheryte »

dorchadas wrote: post #107
Pinegulf wrote: post #90

If not AirBnb, then where the adds went? I doubt that the rental space would be left unused.

Hopefully to the long-term market.

As an expat living in the Netherlands I've seen this up close, but in most part it seems this is temporary. Many properties that were previously Airbnb-d were put up for rental, but only for short contracts of a year or two at most. This leads me to believe that many of those listings hope to return to Airbnb once tourism and the like picks up again.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by DoubleGlazing »

jonkoops wrote: post #78
srmarm wrote: post #36

Airbnb was amazing to start with, I stayed with some many interesting people and in interesting places. It's a shame that it's now so commoditised.

Yeah, but from the perspective of people actually trying to live in these places it's a cancer on the city. I personally know several people previously living in Amsterdam that left the city or parts of it simply because their day-to-day lives were getting disrupted by tourists taking over residential neighborhoods. They create a lot of noise, get drunk and high, vomit in the porches, leave trash everywhere etc. A ci…

We have a friend who owns a single bungalow in a row of five in the Liberties area of Dublin. That's where Guinness is and a load of new distilleries, it's becoming a "cool" area.

The other four bungalows are owned by a single owner who rents them out as AirBnB's. This had made our friends life a nightmare. Stag and hen parties, teenagers booking them for parties, people returning home from an evening out drunk and trying to get in to her house by mistake. Also, the local parking has been messed up as well.

The worst thing is that when they are empty the street is really eerie. Also, the landlord keeps the keys to the houses in combination lock boxes bolted to the walls just outside the front door of each property. He'll give renters the code so they can retrieve the keys when they arrive. Local teenagers have been known to spend the time needed to crack the code and then let themselves in to the property and raise havoc.

She has reported the problems to the local council many times, but they just don't seem to care. Reports to AirBnB, unsurprisingly, go nowhere. When she has approached the owner to complain his response was to offer to buy her out, which is a bit cheeky as that has been her family home for three generations.

Being surrounded by so many AirBnBs can really have a negative effect on your life.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by pintxo »

debarshri wrote: post #129

It was really weird walking in Amsterdam during summer this time around. Generally for past few year, I had seen explosions of tourists doing a weekend tours. There used to be barely any foot space to walk near dam square and shopping streets. This time I just was able to be make an appoint for Anne Frank museum a day before and simply walk in without a queue. This is the conundrum of tourism. If you too much tourist…

Same in Berlin in 2020. What a strange feeling it was to walk through the city almost alone. A big disaster for hotels & business, but a small wonder for the local crowd.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by mercy_dude »

ralfn wrote: post #132
toshk wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not completely. Most were dormant advertisements. There is not a big tourist tax here; the biggest tax evasions for private people is probably on their income tax level, but that's not solved by this. The direct issue it addresses is the take over of many tourists of certain neighborhoods meant for living. The favorite hobby of habitants of Amsterdam is complaining about tourists. The fight against Airbnb is a symbol…

>The fight against Airbnb is a symbolic fight for the left winged parties in the city. That is just bullshit. The people complaining about their AirBnB neighbours are mostly in Zuid. Definitely in not Social housing. Please don't start projecting left/right schoolyard tribe politics in an international context. You embarrass our country. Usage of the phrase "left" and "right" is already dumb when Americans do it. But…

I agree using right vs left is dumb on occasions but OP has a point. Liberals (at least in US/Canada) used to be the one who would care about working middle class and their living conditions. In US and Canada all major North American cities(almost all of which I had left leaning politicians) the prices have exploded. You hear for example Canadian prime minister making it election pledge to make housing affordable, when under the same leadership housing prices have gone up 100% over 5yrs in many areas. So there is one of two things happening here - left is now out of touch with what’s really happening with middle class in North America who can’t afford a house without parents help and thus many choose not to start family etc or they cater to house owning rich upper middle class who have increasingly become their base.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

jacquesm wrote: post #133
FredPret wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a whole class of society that won't think of decreased tourism as a good thing

I realize this, even so, for Amsterdam it was a very much needed reprieve.

So you work hard to make your city to become one of the major tourist destinations in the world, who bring in a lot of money and help the local business flourish, and then need a reprieve from that?

Kinda counterproductive, no?

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