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Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by i_haz_rabies »

ameister14 wrote: post #125
i_haz_rabies wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take your word for it (I'm in the lack of knowledge camp), but I don't see this as an argument for not raising the marginal (and if we do it right, effective) tax rate on the very wealthy.

It's not. It's a counter to the justification of 'we did it before.' We didn't, not really. If you want to raise the marginal tax rate now, it needs to have its own justification independent of historical marginal rates since it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Point taken!

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Post by extra88 »

jordigh wrote: post #50
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

> If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, then anonymized pay based on role / job title should suffice. It does not suffice. We mostly do have this data in the US and wealth inequality keeps deepening. The only purpose of the salary taboo is to keep rich people rich.

The really rich are not so because of the salaries they draw, if any.

Salary transparency can help individuals by revealing their unfair pay relative to their peers. Correcting such injustices are not big money overall, they're not going to create meaningful wealth distribution, it's not going to make the rich noticeably less rich.

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Post by readflaggedcomm »

bee_rider wrote: post #69
ta1234567890 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is pretty ridiculous given that everyone needs a social security number, and then if you ever want to rent or buy a place you need a credit score. Then if you want to travel abroad you need a passport. And if you use google, social media or a cell phone, or pretty much just anything online, you are going to get tracked. All of these systems and organizations have already identified you, or they’ll easily do it…

It is pretty annoying -- to sign on to the IRS's system you pretty much need an existing debt to some private company (student loans [but not NELNET!], credit card, mortgage, etc). Apparently we can't have a government run identification service so we have to hack one out of random information from private companies.

SSNs are issued at birth, not at first draw of credit.

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Post by NoPicklez »

da_chicken wrote: post #59
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

> In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. Many things make sense for a largely homogenous nation of 5.5 million that stop making sense for a largely heterogenous nation of 330 million.

I've heard people from the US use this term for too many things.

The "but we're different" narrative doesn't suffice.

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Post by q1w2 »

ballenf wrote: post #94
tda wrote: post #67

And someone was really quick to make this: https://www.twitchearnings.com/

Is there any support for the claims on various reddit threads that the figures represent maybe half or less of actual earnings? Not sure if maybe it's only subs not tips, or only ad revenue not subs....

As an example, CriticalRole is sponsored by DnD Beyond - outside of the Twitch payment system. Presumably that happens a lot.

Remember also that they all have channels on Youtube and other social media.

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Post by q1w2 »

winternett wrote: post #114
jollybean wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really an upside down take. 1) The skill/ability curve is going to look really consistent with the earnings curve, just like in anything, similar to sports. 2) 'Creators fund' is marginal - having a few extra dollars for a microphone is not going to bring in more viewers for a stream. Far from 'false economy' it's probably something akin to very efficient. If there is inefficiency, it's about who is highlight…

People at the top of the pay scale are being paid an obscene amount of money for similar quality work that goes unpaid in many cases. From that they can hire teams of others to push their brand further. In order to compete, others need to go into debt just to be able to keep up. In order to admit that the highest paid streamers fairly made it to their current levels of obscene payment, it would be a lot more believab…

> obscene amount of money for similar quality work

If it were similar work, then subscriber numbers wouldn't be so different.

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Post by Wingy »

Someone1234 wrote: post #71
Wingy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful with this, they're probably watching peer lists, AFAIK it's illegal to download stolen data but IANAL.

> it's illegal to download stolen data It is illegal to initially steal data. But can you clarify which law would be violated by downloading it? And by "illegal" do you mean civil or criminal law?

I don't know, I was mostly repeating this warning I read elsewhere:

DO NOT POST THE MAGNET LINKS IN THIS THREAD

Feel free to discuss this for what it is, news about a data leak.

As per rule 1 'Search the Internet.....' a quick search will give you the data should you want it, understand however that this is stolen data and should it be what is described the torrent will likely be peer logged and addresses handed to the relevant authorities should Twitch wish to pursue legal action against those sharing it.

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Sorry if I was incorrect about the validity of the warning

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Post by edanm »

jordigh wrote: post #130
actusual wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only purpose of the salary taboo is to keep rich people rich. While it is part of the motivation, calling it the only purpose is just hilariously wrong, completely lacks any nuance/empathy, and a single case of something existing outside of the "only purpose" statement proves it wrong immediately. My brother ex-communicated my dad because he wouldn't stop hounding him for money. My brother became wealthy at a y…

Your dad is a product of the salary taboo. The salary taboo creates a weird societal emphasis that associates a person's worth to their income, hence to certain kinds of narcissism.

I mean, maybe you're right. But also, parent probably knows his Dad a bit better than you, so maybe you shouldn't assume that some kind of generic statement about society for sure applies to other people?

This is the "lacking in nuance" thing that parent was talking about.

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Post by tinus_hn »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

The American Dream of being a busybody bothering themselves with the finances of others.

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Post by Thiez »

walshemj wrote: post #112
Thiez wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely that depends. If there was a database where you could lookup the eye color of anybody, would freedom be significantly impacted? I imagine that publishing everybodies income would not have a significant impact on freedom even if some people would prefer to keep that data private.

Depends if you have the right Aryan eye color when the ethnic cleansing squads come round or not.

In that scenario I think the freedom was lost when the ethnic cleansing squads were formed, not when the database became available.
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