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Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Paraphrasing an observation I heard in a podcast some weeks ago: We were promised little robot butlers in the scifi we read as kids, but what we got was human servants that act like robots.

Ya. Gig economy was enabled by IT & AI taking away all the bureaucratic jobs.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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We’ve recently started deploying expensive e-cargo bikes for our food delivery coop[1] to try to whittle down our carbon footprint and increase efficiency in urban areas. We have a similar problem of trying to protect our delivery assets (though not nearly as bad as the plight of the gig workers in the article given that our workers can count on the coop and also because Montreal is generally safer than NYC). Our thr…

because Montreal is generally safer than NYC Crime in Montreal is actually quite a bit higher than in NYC. In 2019, with data from Statistics Canada (for Montreal) and the FBI (for NYC)... Montreal's violent crime rate (1140 per 100k people) is double that of NYC (571 per 100k people). The property crime rate in Montreal (2,222 per 100k people) is similarly higher than NYC (1,460 per 100k people). Sources: https://ww…

International comparisons for crimes with vague definitions are hard, and I don't think those numbers are effectively comparable.

Have a look [1].

'Murder' is a straight forward thing to define. Someone gets killed.

But 'assault' is a very vague thing.

According to that list 'Iceland' is a crime ridden country with overall crime 4x more than the US, even though murder in the US is more than 10x greater?

More like reporting, charges, definitions, data collection is different.

That said: Montreal is slightly sketchy for petty crime, and some places getting drunk and fighting is normal (UK/Nordic) and in some places, they use knives (i.e. Wales, Scotland).

[1] https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-...

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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post #128

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The victims themselves here are more or less part of the downtrodden caste. Some of them might not be living in the USA with legal authorization. They probably don't feel like the city is interested in protecting them, and it seems like in some cases they are already familiar with "protecting themselves" in organized groups. So with a lack of political interest in their case, banding together makes perfect sense.

There's no way it's this simple. Looking at a map of NYC, it seems that this must be a fairly major bridge (southernmost connection from the Bronx to Manhattan) for all kinds of traffic. I'd expect plenty of average people not involved in delivery gangs (??) to cross there, too, and have issues with the roving bandits. If this is a known crime hotspot, shouldn't police just be hanging out there?

Is it that hard to believe given the events from the last couple of years that the police arent all that interested in protecting these people?

American police also stole $2.5 bn in cash and killed 1,100 people in 2020.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Oops, didn’t notice the first link was for New York State. The CompStat link includes longer-term trends, though, which is what I was referring to. Crime is down overall, and I suspect that if you controlled for the murder rate increase in all US cities over the past two years it might be flat or down in NYC as well.

If Chicago, San Francisco, and Minneapolis all jump off a bridge NYC should too?

NYC is subject to the same national economic, demographic, and cultural trends. For example, recently there has been a respiratory pandemic that affected the entire nation.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

#135

Paraphrasing an observation I heard in a podcast some weeks ago: We were promised little robot butlers in the scifi we read as kids, but what we got was human servants that act like robots.

Step 1: Let humans work like robots. Step 2: Develop AI to automate the work using data generated in step 1. Step 3: Convince investors that your AI is close to finished. Use the money to actually build a working version. Step 4: Fire all the humans.

Step 3 seems like two steps, the first of which has happened many times and the second of which has never happened.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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I live in a pretty safe suburb in the United States so I'm fine with packages left at my front door. In 20 years I have never had a package stolen. For high value packages that require a signature I have them redirected to a UPS or FedEx store 1-2 miles from my house. This can be done by making a UPS or FedEx account which allows you to redirect packages. I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more…

> I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more than 1 or 2 people. That's the part that really surprises me. In my experience picking up missed packages from the post office, they're completely empty 90% of the day, but after work, the line is out to the street! And given that my transaction (present a pick-up slip - wait for employee to find package in the back - sign for package) is mostly trivial,…

...after work, the line is out to the street!

The nearest post office that stays open past 4:30 PM is 70 miles from my home. I guess that's a way to avoid the problem entirely...

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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For a while there, NYC was very safe. Then de Blasio got elected. Hopefully, Eric Adams can turn around the disaster Bill is leaving him.

Crime is down under de Blasio. Virtually every category has continued decreasing since he took office in 2014: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm (That link only covers through 2019, but if you look at the official CompStat data the two year trend for 2019–2021 is also negative: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist... )

Another way to get crime stats to look good is to ignore crimes. Even from the article we are discussing here it sounds like there have been dozens of instances of assault and robbery that were ignored. Ignore enough and people stop wasting their time reporting crimes. Stats look great, the streets tell a different story.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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I do have that in my apartment building. But, instead of a code, the lockboxes have keys that only the postman can remove from them. He locks a package in the box, removes the key, and puts it in the recipient's box. When the recipient checks his mail, he uses the key to open the lockbox and withdraw his package. The key is then stuck in the lockbox lock and cannot be withdrawn again except by the postman.

That sounds like a pretty cool system.

Yes common sense sometimes comes across as cool too

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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post #133
post #128

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There's no way it's this simple. Looking at a map of NYC, it seems that this must be a fairly major bridge (southernmost connection from the Bronx to Manhattan) for all kinds of traffic. I'd expect plenty of average people not involved in delivery gangs (??) to cross there, too, and have issues with the roving bandits. If this is a known crime hotspot, shouldn't police just be hanging out there?

Is it that hard to believe given the events from the last couple of years that the police arent all that interested in protecting these people? American police also stole $2.5 bn in cash and killed 1,100 people in 2020.

My point is that there must be people who aren't involved in criminal gangs or deliveries crossing this bridge, too, so there should be a general interest in keeping it safe.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Drama? Didn't the SF DA stop enforcing laws on theft under some arbitrary but quite large value? I would not call it an exaggeration.

The amount of attention spent on Chesa Boudin and shoplifting is puzzling. Wage theft is by far the biggest form of stealing, and it’s rarely — if ever — prosecuted… but instead we’re worried about a small increase in petty larceny?

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