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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by ndiddy »

cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #119
Flocular wrote: post #79

Still haven solved the CSAM problem, so the public servers are off limits. The private infrastructure solution always looked interesting to me, but I'm missing any actual application ideas for that?

I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily! So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"? It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name. But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag…

I downloaded Freenet during the post-Snowden privacy craze since the concept of a decentralized anonymous network interested me. Here’s my experience circa ~2014:

1. Installed Freenet

2. Clicked on the site directory from the Freenet home page to see what sites are out there

3. Saw links to child pornography sites on the site directory

4. Uninstalled Freenet

I hope this has been addressed, it’s sickening how the network seemed to be mainly used by pedophiles.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#132

Post by brian_herman »

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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#133

Post by google234123 »

brian_herman wrote: post #132

Hey guys I am looking for work if you are hiring please send me an email: Brian Herman Location: Chicago, IL (A suburb of Chicago called Darien, IL) Remote: Yes US Citizen Willing to relocate: Maybe Years of Experience: 7 Technologies: Python, machine learning(data cleaning only and application of already coded methods such as GPT-J), AWS Lex, AWS Route53, Amazon Lambda, AWS API Gateway, AWS Virtual Private Cloud, XM…

This isn't the right thread for a post like this. Unless you made Freenet in which case you should also mention that. Also your link 404s and docx is a terrible format for a resume.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#134

Post by SilverRed »

cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #130
SilverRed wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't just pin the blame on this on the public. These tools have a horrible UX problem. I tried to connect to freenet last year and I literally couldn't work it out. The GUI didn't make much sense, I couldn't work out where I was meant to go to browse content. I think I found it but nothing would load. Apparently I was meant to configure proxy settings in my browser?? I then went to the IRC, reddit and wiki and ether…

> I tried to connect to freenet last year and I literally couldn't work it out. Sorry but that must have been a bug or misconfiguration on your machine: It should connect to the network by default without any tinkering. Perhaps you didn't pay close attention to the first-time wizard and told it to only connect to manually chosen peers instead of connecting to random strangers? If you then don't add peers manually you…

I was using some unofficial packages since installing java on my system is difficult so I used the first flatpak and the first docker image I found on google and neither of them shipped an included browser and it seemed like the way was to make firefox work with it but I could not work that out.

It's been too long for me to remember the exact details but if I couldn't work out how to make it run as a long time linux and p2p user, I can't see how the average user could.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by int_19h »

ndiddy wrote: post #131
cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily! So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"? It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name. But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag…

I downloaded Freenet during the post-Snowden privacy craze since the concept of a decentralized anonymous network interested me. Here’s my experience circa ~2014: 1. Installed Freenet 2. Clicked on the site directory from the Freenet home page to see what sites are out there 3. Saw links to child pornography sites on the site directory 4. Uninstalled Freenet I hope this has been addressed, it’s sickening how the netw…

How do you expect it to be addressed? By its very nature, a decentralized anonymous content network like this is highly resistant to all forms of censorship. This includes CSAM removal. It's like crypto - it's either strong or it isn't, you can't have strong crypto with backdoors for when "somebody must do something".

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by cgtzczykldpq »

ndiddy wrote: post #131
cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily! So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"? It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name. But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag…

I downloaded Freenet during the post-Snowden privacy craze since the concept of a decentralized anonymous network interested me. Here’s my experience circa ~2014: 1. Installed Freenet 2. Clicked on the site directory from the Freenet home page to see what sites are out there 3. Saw links to child pornography sites on the site directory 4. Uninstalled Freenet I hope this has been addressed, it’s sickening how the netw…

So the issue was that the default bookmarks contained a site directory - "index" in Freenet terminology - which was not properly filtered by its author.

IIRC Freenet's current policy is to only add indexes to the default bookmarks if their authors do label them as filtered.

Perhaps this was a slip-up of whoever the anonymous maintainer of the index was.

It is also possible that in the past the bookmarks contained both the filtered version of an index as well as another one of the same index which was explicitly labeled as unfiltered with a big warning. Then the users could decide on their own if they want filtered content or unfiltered content for the sake of avoiding censorship.

In any case: The default bookmarks are here, you can check the git history yourself:

https://github.com/freenet/fred/blob/master/src/freenet/clie...

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by cgtzczykldpq »

SilverRed wrote: post #134
cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried to connect to freenet last year and I literally couldn't work it out. Sorry but that must have been a bug or misconfiguration on your machine: It should connect to the network by default without any tinkering. Perhaps you didn't pay close attention to the first-time wizard and told it to only connect to manually chosen peers instead of connecting to random strangers? If you then don't add peers manually you…

I was using some unofficial packages since installing java on my system is difficult so I used the first flatpak and the first docker image I found on google and neither of them shipped an included browser and it seemed like the way was to make firefox work with it but I could not work that out. It's been too long for me to remember the exact details but if I couldn't work out how to make it run as a long time linux…

Yeah there are no official flatpaks or docker images so you were using 3rd-party software and this is not Freenet's fault :)

Perhaps you can update your topmost post to mention that?

The official installers are here: https://freenetproject.org/pages/download.html

Thanks for clarifying though!

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by test542 »

mullingitover wrote: post #58
fortran77 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. But the point stands--it's difficult to find a place to host a forum that contains legal discussions that happen to offend the sensibilities of the type of people who run tech companies.

> Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. Another day, another person confusing 'free speech' with a private publisher not wanting to publish hate speech. You're entitled to print what you want, you're not entitled to force someone else to print anything.

No one is printing anything.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by bleachedsleet »

cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #65
azalemeth wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?

Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunn…

Freenet can be run through Tor using Onioncat as a virtual network. [0]

[0] https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor....

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by int_19h »

lottin wrote: post #75
ddtaylor wrote: post #68

Some HN users are stuck in an interesting privacy paradox. Most of the time when a company or government tries to undermine privacy or encryption they jump at the throat and point out the need for both. However, it seems when we actually accomplish those goals and create systems that are truly anonymous, private and/or encrypted they basically say it's only for criminals and child abuse.

This is a good point. Censorship-resistance sounds good in theory, but when you actually think about it there is certain stuff that everybody would agree needs to be censored.

When you actually think of it, it's impossible to design systems that are capable of such "good" censorship without also being open to all the other kind. Experience has also shown that, when such capacity exists, its use expands over time. And some of us have decided that the long-term social damage from that far exceeds the damage from any information that could be effectively censored.
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