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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ricardo81 »

asymptosis wrote: post #77

I'm intrigued by this. However -- and this is probably a cultural thing with me being an old-timey unix guy who likes to build things from scratch -- I have a point of confusion. If you choose Run A Server, it suggests two main options: Ansible or Docker. It specifically warns against "from scratch". When I'm developing software, I want people to be building it from scratch. If someone likes something I made enough t…

Perhaps it's to reduce overhead in troubleshooting questions for those who 'just want it to run' rather than be curious about the nature of it.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by capableweb »

ricardo81 wrote: post #131
asymptosis wrote: post #77

I'm intrigued by this. However -- and this is probably a cultural thing with me being an old-timey unix guy who likes to build things from scratch -- I have a point of confusion. If you choose Run A Server, it suggests two main options: Ansible or Docker. It specifically warns against "from scratch". When I'm developing software, I want people to be building it from scratch. If someone likes something I made enough t…

Perhaps it's to reduce overhead in troubleshooting questions for those who 'just want it to run' rather than be curious about the nature of it.

Indeed this seems to be the main cause for them to recommend either Docker or Ansible.

This is what the notice (https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/from_scratch.h...) actually says:

> Disclaimer: this installation method is not recommended by the Lemmy developers. If you have any problems, you need to solve them yourself or ask the respective authors. If you notice any Lemmy bugs on an instance installed like this, please mention it in the bug report.

Supposedly so it's easy to reproduce issues locally. I remember participating in the PHP community long time ago, and constantly having to replicate peoples arbitrary Apache/NGINX configurations just in order to reproduce issues, so it's not surprising that people are using Ansible/Docker for setting up development environments.

I just wished people stopped pushing for that bloated mess in production too, but step by step...

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by chromatin »

Tmpod wrote: post #123
reginold wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How strange they would include word filters that are hard to edit. Seems counter to their whole mission...what? Edit: actually it would make sense if word filters themselves were hard to add. But having their own filter and making that hard to edit is bonkers.

It seems like it is going away soon(tm): https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1773

That is a nice to see after reading several past issues and a closed unmerged PR where innumerable users and (presumably) instance hosts made good faith arguments as to why a hard coded Regex was not only untenable , but antithetical to the ideals of the fediverse — which fell on deaf ears of the developers.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ss2f »

asymptosis wrote: post #77

I'm intrigued by this. However -- and this is probably a cultural thing with me being an old-timey unix guy who likes to build things from scratch -- I have a point of confusion. If you choose Run A Server, it suggests two main options: Ansible or Docker. It specifically warns against "from scratch". When I'm developing software, I want people to be building it from scratch. If someone likes something I made enough t…

The Canadian instance has some resources on that: https://lemmy.ca/post/975

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by potamic »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #110
potamic wrote: post #44

Could someone ELI5 how the federation model works in practice? From the understanding, there is one entity that owns the core technology but the operators of the servers are distributed and independent. How do they typically manage things like scale, data growth, security, monetisation etc.? Is the experience likely to vary a bit across the operators? And how do users trust which operators then want to join?

> one entity that owns the core technology Correct. Ownership is governed through intellectual property laws, the type of license used, agreements and so on. Lemmy's code is released under a GNU Affero license, and so ownership and usage are governed under this license. Large open source projects tend to set up legal entities (foundations, non-profits) which manage their brand, trademark, intellectual property rights…

That's quite informative. Thank you. What is still confusing though, as an end user if I can participate anywhere from any server, I'm not sure what things to consider before picking a server. It doesn't seem to really matter, does it?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by potamic »

numpad0 wrote: post #113
potamic wrote: post #44

Could someone ELI5 how the federation model works in practice? From the understanding, there is one entity that owns the core technology but the operators of the servers are distributed and independent. How do they typically manage things like scale, data growth, security, monetisation etc.? Is the experience likely to vary a bit across the operators? And how do users trust which operators then want to join?

Don’t scale well rn. Mastodon Fediverse split-brain’d facing influx of manga drawings that are orthogonally illegal in two regions

Ah, legal considerations definitely adds an interesting problem.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by chromatin »

radicalriddler wrote: post #75

I would define myself as pretty progressive, but Reddit's been absolutely dog** due to all the anti-capitalist, populist rhetoric. Every post seems to be filled with comments these days of "eat the rich". Like, you'll have a gif of a dude petting a dog, and then in the comments, they'll be like, "Bro, you're financially oppressing this dog and that's why it's forced to be pet by you" (Hyperbole, but I've seen some cr…

It also appears that lemmygrad.ml is run on the same machine as lemmy.ml. (Same IP, and when main instance when down for technically reasons, lemmygrad did simultaneously)

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by enumjorge »

kypro wrote: post #115
enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

Are you even paying attention? This isn't true. You can be censored from social media for all sorts these days. This last year we had a UK media organisation banned from YouTube for questioning the UK COVID response. People in the US are no longer allowed to question the legitimacy of their elections on most social media platforms. Even US media outlets like the NYPost were censored for running stories Twitter didn't…

Your comment is exactly what I'm talking about though. Let's break down your first paragraph, while keeping in mind the context as stated by the parent comment is content that is "not allowed" on major tech platforms:

> This last year we had a UK media organisation banned from YouTube for questioning the UK COVID response.

I'm not from the UK and haven't kept up with news about the UK, so I can't really comment on this one. But out of curiosity I looked it up. If we're talking about the same instance, one of Rupert Murdoch's radio shows was banned for content that YouTube flagged as contradicting the World Health Organization's guidance on COVID. That content was then soon reinstated. That is notably different than saying you are not allowed to "question" the UK government's response to COVID. YouTube misidentifying content on their platform is well documented and happens all the time outside of the context of politics. So again, YouTube's actions here were flawed, but far from the political censorship that you imply.

> People in the US are no longer allowed to question the legitimacy of their elections on most social media platforms.

This is blatantly false, and so easily disprovable. People on Twitter and Facebook constantly repeat falsehoods about election fraud. I just now Googled "youtube biden president illegitimate" and got several results back attacking the legitimacy of Biden's presidency. The funny thing is I only clicked one video because I want to avoid YouTube's recommendation engine thinking this is content I want to see. YT surfaces fringe ideas so readily. How do you think that stuff spread in the first place?

> Even US media outlets like the NYPost were censored for running stories Twitter didn't like during the US election.

Twitter bungled their response on this, and they backed down after they were rightly criticized. One tabloid getting banned from one social media platform is again, not at all close to certain topics not being allowed on major tech platforms. Content attacking Hunter Biden (the topic of the article that got the NYPost banned) happened before, during, and after the the ban. The NyPost is also back on Twitter.

The rest of your claims follow a similar pattern.

I again repeat my assertion that censorship in major tech platforms is flawed and problematic, but the narrative that certain view points are being choked out by tech platforms is simply not true. Fringe ideas have flourished in the age of social media, and would have not entered mainstream discourse if it weren't for the tech industry.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by arglebarglegar »

asymptosis wrote: post #77

I'm intrigued by this. However -- and this is probably a cultural thing with me being an old-timey unix guy who likes to build things from scratch -- I have a point of confusion. If you choose Run A Server, it suggests two main options: Ansible or Docker. It specifically warns against "from scratch". When I'm developing software, I want people to be building it from scratch. If someone likes something I made enough t…

when you maintain an open source project you’re inundated with a constant stream of questions from beginners (no matter how much documentation you have), and using docker eliminates some of those questions

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by [deleted] »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

You're being rapidly downvoted but to play devil's advocate I wonder if you could explain why you think "American leftism" is "disturbing".

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