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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by infogulch »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #115
errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

Not being glib, but have you ever tried just getting rid of your laptop, smartphone, internet, TV, etc? They certainly add the occasional convenience, but it's actually really easy to go a week or three at a time without any of it. That's always an option, and it's a fairly good one if it's making you feel how you describe.

So your advice is to throw up your hands, back off from technology entirely, cede all territory to bigcos, and just sit back and watch them run rampant right over everyone else too. Stepping away is not stepping "out", there is no "out" anymore.

I'm gonna come camp out on your front porch, it's fine ok? Not to be glib but if this bothers you have you considered just moving out of your house? Maybe house living is just not for you man, just walk away.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by nightski »

errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

This is in a pre-release build. I'm not happy to hear about it, but in reality Windows 10 has been incredibly reliable. Can't remember the last time I saw a crash to be honest, and I use it for 8-10 hours a day most of the time.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by danparsonson »

marcodiego wrote: post #98
exporectomy wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just defects, it's ridiculous design choices. Why does almost every single Windows user on the planet have their attention occasionally taken by something utterly pointless to them like "3D Objects" or "Onedrive" when they look for a file, or choosing between "Edit with Photos", "Edit with Paint 3D", and "Edit"? And choose between "Settings" and "Control Panel" which seem like different skins of the same thi…

Actually the 2 sets of settings is understandable. They probably had to give it the "modern look" but for compatibility and how users were used to the old "control panel" they had to keep it too. And now you have both!

The different settings apps that claim to manage the same thing don't cover the same settings. The old apps are not still there to support users who don't like the new look, they're there because the new apps are insufficient and cover an overlapping but different set of configuration. It's thoroughly confusing and frankly a terrible design choice.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by fomine3 »

PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

You can use "Quick Assist" app on non-Pro to support other's PC, rather than remote desktop. It can connect to PC under NAT. RDP don't support NAT traversal by default so not suitable for support use case. Even WinXP supports "Remote Assistance" (I don't remember how it work). Did you tried RDP to PC in other house past? Please don't expose RDP port in the wild.

For user id claim, it's not only due to MS but all services. MS and others improving situation by supporting FIDO and password manager.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by asdff »

makeitdouble wrote: post #127
errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

Isn't it true for a lot of things we rely on every day ? Remembering the days of commuting by train, wether the train will come on time or not was a lottery. Traveling by car, accidents, jams, not being able to park etc. are mundane. Elevator/escalators being in maintenance was also a common sight. Things being broken feels part of life, and we learn to plan ahead, have alternatives or deal with it when there is noth…

A computer is a tool. You buy it to perform what it is advertised to do, just like a socket wrench set. But unlike a socket wrench set, the manufacturer could break into your home in the night and replace your rachet and make it incompatible with your old sockets that still work.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by jfptech »

loicd wrote: post #25

There used to be the "Windows tax" that the rest of Microsoft had to pay[1], now I guess that there is the "Rest-of-Microsoft tax" that Windows has to pay. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/9e09d082-b5d3-11e3-a1bd-00144feab...

That’s funny considering Microsoft is so tax averse when it comes to its own finances.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-irs-decided-to-get-to...

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by asdff »

0235005 wrote: post #121
nixpulvis wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is part of the problem. People feel trapped in their ecosystems. Despite the value added, the technology is suffocating a lot of people (think broader than just "Tech Workers" too).

I think that this is for certain true but the solution of the problem is where the onteresting part is because most people do not want to go and live im a cabin

Taking a break from your laptop doesn't mean you become a hermit in the woods.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by danparsonson »

walrus01 wrote: post #123
voidfunc wrote: post #74

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This is such an incredibly pedantic HN answer. Let's just say they're both insanely important to our continued functioning digital existence. Without working Linux or Windows we are quite fucked.

95% of what I see many ordinary users do with a computer these days is mediated from within a browser window (Chrome, Edge, Safari, Firefox). Those browsers seem to work just fine on MacOS or a Linux desktop.

The point isn't what's possible, it's about the way things are now. Most people with a desktop or laptop machine run Windows on it. Could Linux do everything they want from a computer? Sure, almost. Are they actually using Linux? No - ergo, Windows is still massively important. Not to mention the countless organisations whose IT departments are heavily invested in Windows desktops and all the related supporting infrastructure. Of course they could all change, but they're not going to do it any time soon. Yes Linux is awesome and everywhere but, for example, just a few weeks ago one of my (software developer!) colleagues scoffed when I mentioned Linux and asked if anyone still uses it - while Linux silently runs almost everything around us, Windows is still much more visibly present in most peoples' lives.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by swiley »

errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

I’m not ok with it. Nothing in my house runs Windows and even my phone runs Linux with a fairly normal X11 DE at this point.

At work all the coorperate crapware makes the machine so unstable anyway Microsoft’s malware would just be one more thing. It’s a broken window (heh) situation.

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