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Very good they are thinking about addressing this, but they are still labouring under a few bits of their own misinformation.

Claiming it is a central part of someone's identity, and article of faith, and that they can't be argued out of it, is dead wrong. It is the result of misinformation being spread by the news media, refusal to retract incorrect articles, clear bias and manipulation. If that behavior stopped, over a long period of time trust would be regained.

They are correct that it isn't just the US, it is all across the Anglosphere. Just today:

1. In NZ at newshub an article claimed not that the evidence supporting use of Ivermectin in cases of COVID-19 wasn't compelling but that there "is no evidence that supports the use of [Ivermectin] in the treatment of COVID-19." I know that's a lie because I have a folder of scores of research papers on this topic.

2. Fake news about a Hospital in Oklahoma backed up by Ivermectin overdose patients. Not retracted. Amplified by Rachel Maddow.

3. Same newshub (and other outlets) posted about a backlash against David Seymour. That's true, but they took an ideological position against David Seymour. They could have taken an inverse ideological position arguing that David was fighting against institutional racism on behalf of underrepresented people in need that happen to not be Maori... or better yet remained neutral. My stomach turns every time I see this government use race as the determining factor in who gets special treatment, instead of "poverty" or "low vaccine uptake" or any other property... I don't argue this point for myself (I'm highly privileged) but for countless underprivileged of other races like Indonesian or Malaysian or Palestinean who need help but get turned away because they aren't Maori.

That's just today. This shit has been going on for years now.

At this point, most people will never again trust the media for the rest of their lives.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#132

Pushing narratives instead of reporting the truth has a corrosive effect on reputation, who knew? ;-) There are many small teams on YouTube and other places that are building up a community of patrons to sponsor their efforts, both in news and other areas. It is through these efforts that I see a replacement for the mass media emerging. Their dedicated non-advertiser driven source of support allows them to take risks…

How do I know which of the many small teams is telling the truth?

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Maybe the title should read: The average media consumer becomes more news literate.

In the advent of social media being a megaphone and a news source nowadays, media organizations ceased to own the monopoly of news.

It doesn't help matters that old media is busy cannibalizing the very thing that built its brand: quality journalism.

Very common to see media organizations these days report government speech as facts. Investigative journalism is nothing but an old fable now.

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Trust in government is even lower - hovering at around 24%. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/05/17/public-trust...

This is the biggest problem of all, and it needs to be tackled before we can build trust in anything else. People need to first take responsibility for the governments they elect. Then they need feel like "We the people" are in charge. Not some nefarious organization that we have no power over. We need smaller, more local, more connected, more transparent governments.

> We need smaller, more local, more connected, more transparent governments.

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately it seems that power only ever gets more concentrated at a higher level, there's rarely a decentralization of power, so local governments have less and less influence over people's lives and matter less and less.

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Anyone know of efforts to fix this space? Looking for a good excuse to quit my well paid corporate job and make a difference. News today is: - Infotainment - Tribal reinforcement - Irrelevant - Not actionable (and thus, depressing) - Making people think the world is getting worse - Immediate and not well thought out or nuanced In some ways it's their fault, but on the other hand, the modern reader won't pay for news.…

create a better alternative to Parler, more robust against de-platforming by Bigtech, half the country will thank you

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are the COVID vaccines[1]. Lack of universal popularity doesn't make something bad, wrong or unworthy of enthusiastic support. [1] I exaggerate the proportion, but maybe you did too.

Well, my point is that if we're going to make people pay for things they don't like because we know better than they do what's good for them, let's try to do that equally. That's not happening on, say, the BBC, where for a while they were paying a black transwoman to promote racial hatred against whites.

And for a much longer while - about 20 years - they ran the Black and White Minstrel show. The answer is not to represent everyone's dumb ideas equally.

https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/100-voices/people-nation...

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Journalism is pay to play anyway. If you aren't a mainstream politician, you literally have to buy ads to get coverage. Outside of politics it works this way as well. Heck, just look at games journalism. News channels also hate absolutely anything that takes attention away from their content and their advertisers. Thus video games, dungeons & dragons, religion or anything else that holds the attention of masses of pe…

Journalism and journalists serve an important role in any free society. They are one of the last great checks on a government. We still need reliable journalism. But we need it to not be constant hyperbole and drama.

Couldn't agree more with your last sentence. Recently I had a discussion around that with my 12 year old about just that, in the end I compared online journalism to social media influencers. The latter do almost everything for likes, the former for clicks, because both equal revenue. This fast news cycle certainly doesn't help journalism in general. Throw in agendas and we end up where we are. Not that journalism can, or should, be unbiased. Journalism should be open about their particular biases, and definitely less aggressive and underhanded in transporting it. The US seems to be worse in that regard than other countries, this doesn't mean that it is a purely US problem.

The underlying issues with journalism also make it hard to fight back on Fake News allegations, sometimes the Fake News crowd, regardless of political leanings, actually does have a point.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

> What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems.

Ironic timing considering how just earlier today we were discussing how Rolling Stone's story about gunshot victims being left waiting because of ivermectin overdoses was determined to be false. Talk about a perfect example of a credulously reported story that made it halfway around the globe, retweeted by MSNBC anchors and foreign news outlets, all because it played into the prejudices of journalists and the narrative they wanted to promote. And the whole thing was based on the commentary of one doctor, who apparently hadn't even worked at the hospital in question for months.

It's remarkable that journalists can complain about the public's declining trust while fiascos like this happen on a regular basis, and Axios and their contemporaries either downplay it or sweep it under the carpet.

Previous discussion of the ivermectin hospitalization story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28421638

Re: Media trust hits new low

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So this is from a very right-wing perspective, but it's a pretty compelling explainer as to why many people have no trust in media... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422181544161128450.html

I read that (worth it sort of) and there are a few takeaways, but for me the big one is realising that the author seems to think that there is "an answer" out there, that "everyone else" knows it and that he (the author) ought to be told it upfront. And any indication that people change their minds, get things wrong or otherwise screw up is an indication that people are not just lying but hiding the truth.

It took a while to realise this. Am glad I read it.

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