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Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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I'm not sure how one might reliably assess/assert impairment for a cannabis user. Traces can last for weeks and result in positive tests (blood analysis), even if the user isn't remotely stoned at the time. Don't know whether there's a breath test nowadays that indicates use in the past n hours, which might give a better idea of likely impairment.

It's not an idea I've explored seriously in any depth, but it seems like testing for capabilities required for a specific task might be a way to go here over actual drug tests. Thus if it's determined that people need a certain reaction time to drive safely, that could be one thing tested. Clearly setting the levels and the particular capabilities might well be contentious, but by aligning the test(s) with what's nee…

"Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use13—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.14–16 However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol."

from https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari...

I wonder how much marijuana actually contributes to crashes. I think people can certainly get too high to drive, but unlike alcohol which lowers inhibitions, being 'too high' could even increase inhibitions somewhat (more anxiety, paranoia), so I'd expect people too high to drive are much less likely to get behind the wheel than drunk people. I certainly buy that 0.1% BAC + marijuana is probably worse than 0.1% BAC alone, but I'm curious what a just legal limit would be in comparison to 0.08% BAC regulations. What BTHCC produces equivalent impairment to 0.08% BAC, and how does that interact with THC tolerance?

Are people who consume thc multiple times per day worse drivers than people who never consume thc, when both groups are sober? I'd imagine there is a tolerance effect where stoned frequent-users are better drivers than stoned infrequent-users.

Would be interesting to try to make a cabinet arcade-style driving game that would accurately predict actual-road driving ability. Could even be used as a tool to demonstrate the dangers of drunk driving by putting it into bars and letting people try when above the legal limit (definitely some dangers of giving people good scores when they perform well while drunk though...)

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Meaning most people can drink alcohol without fear of being tested for past use in a work context. We don't regulate it in the workplace the way we regulate pot use.

I dunno. Background checks include DUIs.

Every alcohol consumer has a DUI? Maybe in Wisconsin, but not in general

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Rationality has left the building.

Why don't you want to think of the children?

How about not feeding children with junk food at school cafeterias? How about providing them with real education rather than learning to pass tests? How about not priming and bombarding children with advertising? The list goes on, there's a lot of work to do.

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One more is explaining age discrimination to youngsters. Especially over the damn zoom time video since they don’t show up for work.

Age discrimination goes both ways, it’s not just 40+ workers that experience it

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That’s bullshit. Someone rolled their car into my front garden at 70+ mph in a 30 mph limit on it. The only good thing was it was at 3AM so there was no one around on a normally busy street to get wiped out. And your whole attitude of irrational justification of it says you’re probably not capable of making a rational judgement about whether or not you should drive.

It was 3 AM, they were drunk

No they weren’t. Apologists everywhere.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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My company fixes recruiting process and software problems. Hats off to Amazon for this. I probably have the pot smoker conversation about once a month, usually with a 50-something or older executive that is running a factory short-staffed. Pot is radioactive for many employers because insurance discounts and employment regulations are stuck in the "Refer Madness" era (Refer Madness was a propaganda film about the dan…

> 50-something or older executive

Do you mean to imply or assume that 50-somethings are unfamiliar with marijuana? It was already common for Baby Boomers, who are older than that.

What happens is that open-minded, pot-smoking 20-somethings think 50-somethings are close-minded and ignorant. Then 30 years later many of those 20-somethings are the exact same as their predecessors. Instead of dismissing the older generation, the 20-somethings might consider how they will avoid that fate.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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One underappreciated aspect of this. They will ignore marijuana at time of hire. But they will absolutely test you if there is ever an accident or if you are injured at work (even if you just strain your back picking up a heavy object) before you see an occupational health doctor. If you come back positive in the course of injury, they won't cover your workers compensation bills. They'll fire you (for being intoxicated) and you'll have to cover your own medical expenses without access to workers comp coverage or the emoyee health plan (because you've been fired).

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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What sort of intellectual dialog and witty repartee did you expect? I'm pretty sure that the guy at Amazon who decided to hire the potheads isn't going to win a Nobel.

A debate about drug classification? An insight with data or maybe even an intelligent anecdote about the travails of hiring in modern day USA? Your comment wouldn't even get points on Reddit, it might get a "lol" on twitter

Agreed. I see almost no intellectual curiosity and learn little these days. I'm only here because I hope it might change again.

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Of course Amazon is watching out for their business interest, but they are doing the morally right thing here. I do not smoke anything as a personal preference and do not enjoy when second-hand smoke and smell affects me but I support legalization for the simple reason that criminalization of marijuana and stigmatization of pot smokers is much much worse.

Something I learned from a pot smoker: they sometimes mix it with other drugs for higher effects.

Does CNN know about this?

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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i got downvoted for specifying a fact, i now understand why certain things gets to the frontpage ;)

And now you're getting downvoted for passive-aggressively complaining about downvotes. You can get downvoted for almost anything if you work at it.

that's democracy right; 2 people get to choose what is the truth and what deserve to be hidden or censored

propaganda is fine, as long as portfolio grows

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