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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by Freak_NL »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #103
hkai wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't quite understand this. By "exploiting" you simply mean targeting ads? The real harm seems to be from the tech giants censoring speech and policing payments, but what's the harm that someone targets a pair of shorts that I might like or show an ad for a conference I might be interested in?

I.e. ads, facebooks feed, endless scrollers like 9gag -> they like to use dark patterns and exploit tricks against the human mind to keep and guide your attention. The harm if targeted ads depends on your viewpoint. A targeted ad might serve you something you were looking for anyway, or it might manipulate you into spending on something you don't actually need. I.e. look at Instagram influencers, showing off their fa…

I think you might have the meaning of 'i.e.' (that is, namely) confused with 'e.g.' (for example).

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by FriedrichN »

lopis wrote: post #127
FriedrichN wrote: post #34

Seeing as Plausible is still a script, how much of the remaining percentage of Firefox/Linux users are blocking scripts entirely? My default uMatrix settings block everything but first party CSS and images.

Considering that most of the web is unusable for most people without javascript, I'm pretty sure no-script people are a very very small portion of the internet.

A lot works quite okay, reader view also works great a lot of the time. And if necessary I'll allow first party scripts and most tracking scripts are third-party.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by sofixa »

wodenokoto wrote: post #125
turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

Is it the Simpsons or Seinfeld where in one episode one of the characters gets a Nielsen box that is used for measuring tv viewership and they can’t leave the house for fear of shows being canceled if they’re not home to watch it.

Happens in Family Guy too.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by jerrre »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #79

I used to have Google Analytics blocked on my home networks (through Pihole/Adguard Home) with the exception of one network which my wife uses. She works with SoMe so not having access kinda interferes with her job. I've since moved to NextDNS.io to have network agnostic ad/malware filtering. Still keep a "special" configuration for my wife :)

what is SoMe?

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by chalst »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #126
hkai wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, you're worried about someone spending more time on their phone or spending more money on goods and services? Spending their own money — not the public money? That's what freedom is to you? Not the freedom to talk to whoever you want, say whatever you want or pay whoever you want?

I have no clue where you derive any of these things from. I certainly never said any of it. I never even made a claim a out freedom. I was talking about how ads, tv programming, trackers and such have a tendency to create a positive feedback loop, which leads people towards less quality and mindless consumption. And about a fun idea from a movie, to break this feedback loop and replace it with another one, that promo…

hkai's mind is like a hammer: whenever it sees an opinion relating to human choice, it sees a nail.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by tomaszs »

I have been using professionally Google Analytics for over ten years. When I set up Summon The JSON store on Shopify I made decision to not use it.

It does not give any value. And moreover it takes a lot of time to study. At the end rather on quality and sales you focus on visits, and a lot of other non important metrics.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by Nextgrid »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #117
turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

"large scale AdWords fraud." Be carefull - fraud is a crime. But I am under no obligation to provide AdWords any data, let alone true and reliable data. Considering the tracking and spying, and my legitimate interest in privacy, there is no room for fraud argument here. PS: this would be probably a Hoax

Fraud would involve financially benefiting from it - if you don't benefit I don't think it would count as fraud in most countries.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by mortenlarsen »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

The movie is "Who Am I (2014)".

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by jeroenhd »

I expected these numbers to be higher. However, an even more interesting metric is the 88% block in Firefox.

Firefox may not have a great market share, but based on these numbers it's market share may very well be eight times higher than your analytics report. This can change the argument of "it's only 3% of our users so we don't need to test on FF" to "it's a quarter of our user base, we should at least test it", depending on your target audience. I've seen tons of people claim general Firefox usage is negligible based on public data from websites such as statcounter, but these metrics prove that those statistics are unreliable and should not be used.

The best you can do is use server side UA inspection, though you can't really distinguish bots from real users that way.

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