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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by cbg0 »

peakaboo wrote: post #94
cbg0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.

Even if true, so what? It's their bodies. They should be allowed to choose, just like you are.

Nobody's saying they're not allowed to choose, this is more of a discussion about how some people may never really be truly satisfied with the safety of a vaccine regardless of how many studies are published and how much information on the subject is available.

While I'm a big fan of people having a choice, due to the large amount of misinformation out there people are dying. We have people in my country that could have gotten the vaccine but didn't because of Facebook conspiracies and are now refusing oxygen in hospitals because they're afraid their lungs will explode - due to Facebook conspiracies.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by delecti »

peakaboo wrote: post #94
cbg0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.

Even if true, so what? It's their bodies. They should be allowed to choose, just like you are.

I can absolutely judge someone for a decision that I want them to have the right to make. It's absurd to suggest I shouldn't be able to.

There's no good reason for the majority * of people to avoid the COVID vaccines. They're making a dumb decision.

* Of course there are exceptions, but it's a small percent

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by runako »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #27

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The government isn't compelling me to get vaccinated, either.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

I live in a major city and I have never even heard of requiring vaccinations to buy groceries. Is this a thing that exists somewhere? I would love to read more on this.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by bluGill »

throwawaysea wrote: post #91
bluGill wrote: post #66

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mRNA is a basic building block of life. Your body makes and breaks it down constantly. If there was any worry about it life itself wouldn't be possible.

The vaccine contains other ingredients as well.

If you read them, they are equally part of life and so if they are a problem life isn't possible.

I'm talking about the mRNA vaccines. Others are more complex. They are also more studied though so your objection seems to be to the mRAN ones.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by acdha »

tohnjitor wrote: post #73
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

FDA approval is mostly meaningless. Just this year they approved an Alzheimer's treatment which ended clinical trials early because it didn't work. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/08/th...

The approval for that drug was a huge error but you’re incorrectly conflating that limited, conditional approval with the far more rigorous normal process. The FDA basically said that the manufacturer has 10 years to show a clinical benefit because the drug was shown to accomplish its purpose (reducing amyloid plaques) with an acceptable level of side effects — and that’s not completely off the timeframe needed to measure a slower disease like Alzheimer’s. In contrast, the Pfizer vaccine has been shown to be highly effective at producing positive clinical outcomes and has been administered to massive populations with very infrequent side-effects which are far below the risks of the disease.

I think it was a big mistake not to keep that as some kind of trial but my primary reason for that is because it encourages faulty conflations like yours. The message we should take from this is that the problem was NOT following the standard process rather than drawing any conclusions about the process which wasn’t followed.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ceejayoz »

jerf wrote: post #127
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

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> The big one in my mind is how do Pfizer, BioNTech, or the FDA validate safety of the vaccine over the long term? By looking at other vaccines historically and seeing that side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/af... > Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose.

"By looking at other vaccines historically and seeing that side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks." "Other vaccines historically" work on fundamentally different principles. We can not use that data to assume that mRNA vaccines are going to work the same way.

mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans since 2011. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by antattack »

formerly_proven wrote: post #75
bart_spoon wrote: post #62

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Which still wouldn't be a logical argument, given that the same applies regarding long-term health outcomes regarding getting sick with Covid. But I suspect you are right.

"But Covid is something natural, while the vaccine is man-made."

There's a possibility that COVID-19 was made in a lab, as a result of gain of function research.

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Post by amrcnimgrnt »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #116
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

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Or they have other reasons for not getting it, reasons that are personal/mocked/dismissed by others, and the emergency approval was the easiest way to get these street preachers to make like a tree.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by nikkinana »

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I think their stock price says it all, didn't get too much of a bump on that amazing news.
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