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Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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Almost all Todo apps have the problem of showing you stuff that you are incapable of just seeing things you _can accomplish right now_. I think people underestimate the amount of pain that comes from, over and over again, looking at a list of things you can't do anything about at a moment X. The only TODO app that I've found get this at least 95% right is Omnifocus with its billions of settings. Though there's still…

In GTD that is fixed through "contexts". E.g. you have a context "phone calls to make", and then next time you have time and are near a phone, you can start working on those tasks. Many todo apps have some sort of mechanism for that, or is this not what you mean since you seem to be familiar with GTD?

GTD has a lot of solutions for various types of todo list problems, but then again, you have to be a quite conscientious person to follow through on all of the details of it. At which point you probably have no problem with plain scribbles on some loose paper. My wife makes todo lists all the time (like, she's taking to someone and while she's talking she'll pull out some paper and write things down completely unrelated to the conversation, without skipping a beat) but she's very conscientious about actually doing those tasks, so she doesn't have a need for more complicated systems than small piles of papers with things that need to be done.

Whereas I make lists with breakdowns and several dimensions of categories and preferably according to a clearly defined, all-encompassing system, and it needs to work on all devices and include everything from what I need to buy for dinner tonight to my life goals, and then those notes become a job in themselves and I say fuck this and throw them all out and try the same thing again 6 months later. I'd much rather be like my wife.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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post #102

My single biggest improvement in getting somewhat organized and productive so far has probably come from getting comfortable with some amount of chaos. I used to try and set up the perfect system for my notes. I got caught in endless cycles of coming up with some structure, finding new tools, etc. — only to then barely ever write down anything because it never quite fit into any of the boxes I'd prepared. I used to t…

Your comment reminded me about a passage from Red Dwarf: In fact, it was now possible for Rimmer to revise solidly for three months and not learn anything at all. The first week of study, he would always devote to the construction of a revision timetable. At school Rimmer was always at his happiest colouring in geography maps: under his loving hand, the ice-fields of Europa would be shaded a delicate blue, the subter…

This basically describes all the bullet journals you see on the internet.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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I use a Todo app every day, starting in the morning. Almost all of my tasks are recurring, well defined, and relatively short. E.g. "triage email inbox every day", "vacuum house every week on Saturday", "upper body workout every second day", "renew passport every 10 years". For me this works well, because: * I don't forget to get things done * I don't have to think about what I need to do, the app shows me a daily li…

Same for me. I started very recently but it improved my productivity very sharply (not just work, also hobbies (music) and cleaning). I use habitica (no affiliation).

I built and use https://flathabits.com daily.

Keeping habits and todo/tasks list separately helps me prevent the latter from monopolizing habit time.

ps. Flat Habits is backed by org (if that's important to you), but this is purely an internal detail if you just want a simple app.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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Anybody building something that takes these principles into account? Particularly 3 (sense of accomplishment) and 7 (context).

I build something that for me addresses 1-3 (7 I guess depends on how you use it). Feel free to check it out: https://thisweek.rocks/

(localization for weekday names coming after my vacation)

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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I've been using gtd + trello for over a year now in on off basis, and for me I found the following benefits

- closed loops for stuff that would otherwise occupy my thoughts while programming

- understanding and aplication of what makes me either not start or think about something (project) constantly

- ability to drop and return to it and just continue

- differentiation between what is a must do and nice to do

- separating emotional context for a protocol one ( usefull for things that upset me but must be dealt with)

Bad things

- overusing the system as it is very effective and placing way of the mark projects that you wish to do and that drag on to irrelevance, especially the inbox filled with thoughts rather than something useful.

- it requires at least weekly maintenance, especially when the structure is new to the user

- lists can get convoluted , amended by understanding that you can and should add remove entire lists or even make lists context based.

Bad parts can be overcame but it requires a deeper understanding of gtd and knowing that your gtd flow is ment to be upgraded, reworked and much less structural and rigid in some places. I am currently at my v2 for gtd and it is much easier to maintain while providing me with pretty much same benefits, there is going to be v3.

Overall it helped me immensely to clear my ram when working and for that at least it is worth it

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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> Up until the last week I thought the problem was in myself (you probably think so too). After all, David Allen seems to have figured this shit out. It's worth pointing out that David Allen is very outspoken on his position that you should NOT use a todo list. He writes it out clearly in his book. This is probably the most common misconception about GTD. I've even heard people say they gave up on GTD because todo li…

He doesn’t advocate a todo list but he does advocate (at least for starting off) 10 lists (projects, agendas, calls, errands, home, office, waiting for, anywhere etc). His process basically allows you to know what you need to do at any point (i.e. it’s clear what needs to be done), and the context sorting allows you to quickly rattle through a bunch of ‘next actions’ based on your context and without having to work out the thing that needs doing. Now these next actions may seem like todos but given that teh project list always points to a next action (or is complete) and given that it is present on a context-based list means it’s already been through some processing to make it do-able. Todos lack this and is why quite often they don’t get done. You put them off as it’s not clear what the next action to progress it even is.

Also it’s not so much a system for getting things done, than it is a system for clearing the mind so that when you ARE able to do some work, you are able to just do it. Mind like water.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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> Up until the last week I thought the problem was in myself (you probably think so too). After all, David Allen seems to have figured this shit out. It's worth pointing out that David Allen is very outspoken on his position that you should NOT use a todo list. He writes it out clearly in his book. This is probably the most common misconception about GTD. I've even heard people say they gave up on GTD because todo li…

> To get things done, you have to decide on the one or few things you should be working on at a point in time. A todo list doesn't help with that. If you have 100 things to do, certainly a list helps you at least not forget most of them, before you even start work. I don't know what David Allen recommends, but if everyone is left with the impression he recommends TODO lists and he doesn't, it might be because the alt…

> I don't know what David Allen recommends, but if everyone is left with the impression he recommends TODO lists and he doesn't, it might be because the alternative is hazy and vaporous and poorly defined.

Maybe a lot of people just read the short blog posts on the internet for how to setup a tool to implement his system. A lot of the ones I’ve seen (with the notable exception of one I found showing how to implement it in Org-mode) get the methodology completely wrong. So maybe it’s just the bad examples are copied?

People should just buy and read his book. It was updated a few years ago for the modern world (but I guess even that edition is now probably dated). Also there’s even a workbook available too to help drill it in for people that prefer that way of examples.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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After 10 years and trying at least a couple dozen different Todo Apps, these were most effective: 1. Excel, 2. Wunderlist (now Microsoft To Do), and 3. Trello: great for a surprising number of things.

Yet, I’ve since switched to the last Todo app I’ll ever use: 4” x 6” notecards.

Thinking on paper = build your mind.

Thinking in digital = build another’s.

Todos on paper = get work done.

Todos in digital = do more work.

Notes on paper = hard to create, hard to forget.

Notes in digital = easy to create, easy to forget.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

#139
post #77

Almost all Todo apps have the problem of showing you stuff that you are incapable of just seeing things you _can accomplish right now_. I think people underestimate the amount of pain that comes from, over and over again, looking at a list of things you can't do anything about at a moment X. The only TODO app that I've found get this at least 95% right is Omnifocus with its billions of settings. Though there's still…

> People drag on GTD but David Allen

I’ve not yet found a decent alternative. I think a better book could be written on it though. I think the system could be explained in fewer words making it accessible to more people. David’s book is a good read but you probably have to be very serious about fixing this part of your life to put in the effort required to understand and implement it.

Re: Todo apps are meant for robots

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post #116
post #102

My single biggest improvement in getting somewhat organized and productive so far has probably come from getting comfortable with some amount of chaos. I used to try and set up the perfect system for my notes. I got caught in endless cycles of coming up with some structure, finding new tools, etc. — only to then barely ever write down anything because it never quite fit into any of the boxes I'd prepared. I used to t…

The problem with just bookmarking is link rot, I've had a few links 404 or the domain disappear - instead I use wallabag (imperfect but good enough) to pull in the content for another day

I just discovered SingleFile, a plugin for Firefox which does an epic job at creating an offline copy of the webpage in a single HTML. I'll sync my repo across all my devices for offline/forever access to them.
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