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As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by krapp »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #126
slibhb wrote: post #112

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> Sure, having the one black or gay character in a tv show is obvious tokenism, particularly when portrayed as shallow stereotype, but it seems to me as if any attempt at representation nowadays is written off as "political" or tokenism, even when it's sincere. This is the crux of the issue. To me, "attempts at representation" are demeaning by definition . Giving someone a part because of their skin color or sex or s…

I agree. There's also the issue that typically the token minorities really seem to be sanitized of their actual culture too. They're white characters played by minority actors. And as a result, it feels patronizing to the viewer and the minorities.

>There's also the issue that typically the token minorities really seem to be sanitized of their actual culture too.

Not every minority in real life acts like a sterotypical minority. The idea that, say, Black characters should only be allowed to "act Black" would really be tokenism.

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by throwawayboise »

cblconfederate wrote: post #128
akudha wrote: post #7

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I wonder if this will result in more outrageous, more clickbait junk from media outlets, desperate for audience attention. Even more than it is now. I am spending more time on YouTube too. I used to watch Netflix, but it has been downhill last 3 years or so.

more likely youtube will adopt the onlyfans model once people start getting tired of the clickbait useless vids

Well there's the Premium option. You don't see any ads and though the recommendations are sometimes low qualty, most of them don't stike me as overt clickbait.

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by Elidrake24 »

Animats wrote: post #59
brundolf wrote: post #25

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I think their secret is being run by people who are actually into movies, instead of people who are only into money

Their "secret" is a liquor license.

Ha, AMC has a liquor license around here, but since re-opening I've still had:

1. A movie start 30 minutes late as they had forgotten about the showing

2. 30 minutes worth of ads after the supposed start time of the film

3. God awful food whose quality rivals Circle K at quadruple the prices

4. Alcoholic beverages that are several times more expensive than the plastic bottle their liquors come from

Not to say all theaters are this way, but certainly the only theaters I have access to around me are. Decided to give up after the third horrible repeat. I do miss the old independent theater from down in Tucson, they suffered from none of these issues; unfortunately nothing like that where I am now. Can't speak to Alamo.

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by cblconfederate »

throwawayboise wrote: post #132
cblconfederate wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more likely youtube will adopt the onlyfans model once people start getting tired of the clickbait useless vids

Well there's the Premium option. You don't see any ads and though the recommendations are sometimes low qualty, most of them don't stike me as overt clickbait.

but it 's very optional, which changes the dynamic

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by Slow_Hand »

hmsshagatsea wrote: post #100
Slow_Hand wrote: post #77

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What element of Dune do you think would suffer by not having an ‘R’ rating? It’s not as if the book is reliant on anything exceptionally violent or obscene. Probably the darkest element is the reference to The Baron’s rape of young people. Frankly that’s better off as something to be implied and not depicted. I think you can get away with enough in a PG-13 to suit the tone of this story. Watching the recent trailer y…

It’s not the R rating necessarily, it’s how they’ve sanitized the story. The whole book is rife with islamic/arabic and at least from the trailer they’ve anglicized everything, which doesn’t give me much hope. I really don’t see a reason for it.

Gotcha. I know that the first trailer substituted the word “jihad” with “crusade”. That rubbed me the wrong way as well. But as someone who has pored over every bit of available information about this movie, I’ve come across an interview with someone who saw a test screening AND was already familiar with the book. They were directly asked if the word jihad was used in the film and they said that it was.

It seems that the ommission of jihad in the film’s marketing may have been a strategy to side-step any potential negative press in the lead-up to the film’s release. That seems wise given the way that American media likes to sensationalize every last detail that can be mined for potential outrage/eyeballs.

I guess we’ll see it and find out for sure.

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Post by andrew_ »

dillondoyle wrote: post #70
grae_QED wrote: post #18

Good. I hope they all go out of business. Their predatory practices are the reason why social media is so toxic. I'm honestly amazed that companies haven't figured out that advertisements are far less effective than they claim to be and they are probably over spending on them [1]. [1] https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/faculty/research/resear...

I feel this way about traditional broadcast/cable. BUT I think the side effect of dwindling audiences is far worse in toxicity. Look at NewsMax and Fox. They cater to more extreme more engaged viewers, at the expense of reality and the health of the rest of us.

A highly subjective view that could be expanded to any number of mainstream and fringe media outlets.

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Post by slothtrop »

faeriechangling wrote: post #101
spiderice wrote: post #84

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I love how now that he disagrees he's suddenly "not a progressive".

Bill Maher back around 9/11 had a slide deck act where he justified racial profiling in airports with a picture of a fundamentalist Muslim in traditional garb going through airport security. He once literally hosted a talk show called "Politically Incorrect" He has always been "I'm leftist, but I have a politically incorrect anti-establishment edge.". He has been saying things like this for decades.

Politically Incorrect was canned when, in disagreement on teh show, he said the terrorists weren't cowards, that bombing a country (Iraq) including innocents from offshore was cowardice. Referring of course to physical / mortal cowardice, not moral cowardice, in which case he's right.

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by slothtrop »

dragonwriter wrote: post #37
jacob2484 wrote: post #35

How much woke virtue signaling can one take? Even Bill Maher agrees.

> Even Bill Maher agrees. Bill Maher is a shallow elite contrarian, not a progressive that it would make sense to say “Even” about when he agrees with criticism of something perceived to be on the left.

He's an actual Liberal, based on what he purports, unlike many so-called progressives.

Re: As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession”

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Post by ok_coo »

citizenpaul wrote: post #47
grae_QED wrote: post #18

Good. I hope they all go out of business. Their predatory practices are the reason why social media is so toxic. I'm honestly amazed that companies haven't figured out that advertisements are far less effective than they claim to be and they are probably over spending on them [1]. [1] https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/faculty/research/resear...

> amazed that companies haven't figured out that advertisements are far less effective than they claim to be I was once asked to do some stats on the marketing effectiveness of a company I was at. Not my job but I really hated a couple of the people in the marketing dept so I went at the task anyway. I had long had suspicious that the advertising was mostly smoke and mirrors so I was glad to find out that I was right…

The best marketing a company will do is to itself.
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