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We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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For what it’s worth, we (Reclaim.ai - I’m quoted in the article), have a lot of ADHD customers who tell us that we help with time blocking on their calendar. In particular, the fact that we do it automatically seems to be the thing they appreciate. Edit: First time I’ve ever been downvoted into negative territory. Clearly I’ve embarrassed myself ;P Is it because of self promotion? I guess… seems weird though I/my com…

This may not be helpful, but for me scheduled timeboxes are not quite the right solution. The real problem is capacity management, so the ideal solution would be something that makes it clear how much space a commitment occupies without simultaneously forcing me to decide when I will do it. I know there are some who probably insist that I’m trying to have my cake and eat it too…

I hear ya and I understand what you’re getting at. We’re working on some ideas that might address it, but as you already surmised it’s a bit of a challenge because the two desires are at odds with each other.

One way we (somewhat) solve for your desire today is that we schedule out all the stuff but then make it fairly easy to decide what to do just-in-time without wrecking the whole schedule. It’s not perfect but it’s been working for some of us.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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> If you ask people to accomplish a loony amount of work this week, they’ll go, No way. Can’t be done. But if you tell them they’ll need to do that same bonkers amount in a single week one year from now? They’ll think, OK, sure, I could do that.

Really hit home.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I think the gist of it is that TODO-lists don't get done, but that just fine. They are still useful.

The purpose of TODO is not to commit to doing something, it is to create a possible plan for accomplishing something.

Whether you ever get to actually doing it, it is good to have a plan, in case you a) need to do it b) realize at the time of doing it that there is a better way of doing it, or that in fact you need to do less, or do some different things.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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What they do is give middle management something to do. Often questionably necessary, middle management has a hard time doing something when engineers understand the product and upper management has the right balance of setting direction and entrusting decisions to the makers. So they start asking the engineers to do things and get upper management on the train of wanting reporting. Doing that with pen-and-paper engi…

I’d say that they give middle management an out, a way to make their jobs “easy” by just throwing a tool at the problem. Middle management should be doing what middle managers do in physical production processes: removing barriers, and reviewing processes for continuous improvement. For whatever reason, management science has not caught up to the ubiquity of knowledge work in the modern economy.

From my perspective, some of what middle managers do is helpful, much of what they do could just was well not be done. My point being that these tools create work from top to bottom. There's information to fill out, statuses to be updated, progress to be tracked, reports to be generated, etc. etc. etc. which all fall on to a spectrum of "things which have utility" and "things which are busywork" often heavily favoring the latter. They make management jobs "easier" in that they create a clear set of "something to do" which is different than making their jobs easier in the mode of "providing value to leaders, makers, investors, etc." All being done in a cargo cult of "this is how you should work" and satisfying a certain kind of person's desire for things to be "organized".

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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post #109

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Looking at the landing page I can see only Google calendar is supported with outlook planned. Is there any chance of regular caldav support. I'm interested in the product but I use neither Google calendar nor Outlook.

I absolutely desire to support it, but just being realistic it is at least 1-2 years off, pending our overall success as a company. The market just isn’t big enough to justify the R&D expense at this stage. Sorry :(

Why not? It’s your company. If you think it would be a cool thing to build, and something you desire to support, then build it.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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The YC credo is about building something people want and shipping your MVP ASAP. What I see time and time again with teams and people prelaunch is a lack of a catalyst to ship their MVP. I've met many people who have an idea and their MVP is 95% complete. Then things stall and feature creep sets in for three reasons: 1) Your MVP will, by design, have technical debt. No one likes debt. 2) Releasing means a shift from…

This!

I launch my MVP last month. I can't agree more with you.

1. Tech debts. The coder inside my just to write better code. And writing better code is satisfying.

2. After launch, I become more of a marketer than an engineer. Being a marketer is less enjoyable than being an engineer. I secretly know this before launch.

3. Alternative for income. Yes, I have another side project, whose users calling for more features. I can't help spending time on that project.

Thanks so much for clarifying this.

edit: what truly prompt me to launch is the death of my mom, which reminded me I have waited too long to do important things.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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Should be "We Still Don't Get Everything Done". Obvious point, but it is crucial to recognize. Lots of stuff gets done, just not everything you thought would. Which is why TODO lists can be useful (for me, anyway), but don't get any more complicated than just a list (I use a chalkboard for non-work and a txt file for work). 1) I need to not forget to do this thing 2) but I can only do one thing right now 3) put the o…

The plain ole todo list works for me as well, but where I really tend to stall out is on the things I don't really want to do and don't really need to do but probably should do at some point. ie- getting the knives sharpened. Eh, I guess they could go another couple weeks/months but on the other hand the big knife was so dull I almost sliced a divot in my finger the other day so maybe I should prioritize actually getting that done!

Same with scanning and digitally filing/archiving a bunch of old family paperwork my mom just snail mailed me.

I don't need a better todo list app. I need a personal assistant! :P

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I had an idea about To Do lists a few years ago. I realized that one of the biggest problems was the hidden complexity of the tasks, and unexpected roadblocks that I'd encounter. Some tasks involved a lot of unknowns, or things that I would have to figure out as I went.

The idea I had was premade To Do lists for various common tasks such as automobile maintenance, planning a trip, organizing an event, etc.

Never did much with it.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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What would someone do if their to do list was finished? Presumably a person always has more to do. And presumably people think of doing a lot more than they actually can do. Your reach should always exceed your grasp. (Or, less politely, when all is said and done, there is a lot more is said than done.)

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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Article is about personal productivity moreso than corporate, but I'm going off on the corporate tangent because I think the HN crowd can relate.

A personal failing of mine, that I'm working on improving, is progress tracking that's as close to understandable-at-a-glance to management as possible.

Historically I've always been focused on progress, moving on to the next thing, keep pressing forward, but this comes at the expense of management understanding when it comes to status updates and awareness around delays.

Progress reporting, from a purely technical viewpoint, is a bunch of bullshit that gets in the way of progress, but from a business viability, profitability, and general good-management, it's essential. I have to keep reminding myself of that.

How this relates to the article: project task time must be allocated to determining and documenting progress. The best way for this to take up a minimal amount of time is to have a methodology determined up front: give management an expectation of what they'll see, and the technical folks an understanding of where progress milestones are, so they'll know what markers are important to progress reporting. It's got to be collaboratively developed.

This, in itself, also takes time.

More directly related to the article, continually trying to find "the perfect to do app" is just a distraction. Any app is fine. If you're not getting to your tasks the problem is you and / or your expectations, not the app(s). Been there, still doing that...

Apt quote from article regarding personal expectations of productivity: "Present self screws over future self".

I've stuck with tiddlywiki / noteself as my Swiss-army-knife note taking and organizational tool. I'm also messing with it for tracking project "threads".

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