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France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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> Basically, you get infected, you die. Avoid cannibalism and you should be fine. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/06/482952588/wh...

>Avoid cannibalism and you should be fine. And animal brains, and the areas around experimental research labs...

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Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Not sure why she wasn't wearing the proper protection or responded to the exposure correctly (bleach rinse apparently) but this goes to show the importance of following lab safety protocols at all times.

> "She had not been trained in handling dangerous prions or responding to accidents and did not wear both metal mesh and surgical gloves, as she was supposed to, says Julien Bensimhon, the family’s lawyer."

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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These mad scientists need to be stopped. How about all research into gain of function, genetic engineering viruses, prions, etc. need to have a moratorium. There is too much risk & not enough transparency on all levels. We don't hear about all of the problems. I wonder what else is wrong and what happened. Whistleblowers need protection, not punishment.

Look up how fluorine, the "devil's chemical", was found and isolated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine#Isolation They blew themselves up, or worse, in pursuit of scientific knowledge. Without their work, semiconductors and electronics wouldn't be possible, and we wouldn't be here on this forum.

You don't have to sacrifice yourself, but don't infringe on those brave folks who are advancing our scientific knowledge by risking their lives. (Although if you're a lab-leak conspiracist, then it's probably too late.)

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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> She had not been trained in handling dangerous prions or responding to accidents and did not wear both metal mesh and surgical gloves, as she was supposed to, says Julien Bensimhon, the family’s lawyer. The thumb should have been soaked in a bleach solution immediately, which did not happen, Bensimhon adds. Does bleach even affect proteins? Isn't that protocol for an organism you're afraid of?

I was thinking what if she amputated her thumb immediately? It seems like an extreme reaction, but could it have prevented her infection and death?

Good luck getting that research commissioned!

Interesting idea though, and really it'd be a pretty sensible trade-off.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #108

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> Basically, you get infected, you die. Avoid cannibalism and you should be fine. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/06/482952588/wh...

Avoid eating British beef in the 1980s/1990s, too. Apparently 1 in 2,000 people in the UK may be infected.[0] We still don't know if there's going to be a second wave of disease from infections from that time period due to genetic factors influencing incubation of the disease. This is why people who were in the UK for longer than a few months during the 80s and 90s aren't allowed to give blood in various places aroun…

And don't feed beef to cows.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #79

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“ vCJD or “classic” CJD, which is not known to be caused by prions from animals. Classic CJD strikes an estimated one person per million. Some 80% of cases are sporadic, meaning they have no known cause, ” Who knows really. 10 years is a long time to wait and worry, but it can take up to 50 years to express itself. Just imagine spending your whole life worrying about this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalop... Wikipedia thinks otherwise. The whole UK population was eating mad cow for years until humans started dying. It was well known in advance that this was a crazy callous risk taken by uk.gov Careful what you read, the UK spend a lot of money on propaganda at the time (to support beef exports) until the case was well and truly lost.

Mammalian proteins don’t differ from each other all that much so it makes sense the prions of any other mammal could potentially infect humans. Though the further away in the evolutionary tree the less likely I imagine.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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“Never been shown to” is the kind of false speak I keep hearing from the government and media. Just because you’ve never tried it doesn’t mean you have shown something.

There is a difference between "never been shown to" and "shown to never".

Yes but many experts take "never been shown to" to mean that we ought to act as if it doesn't for now. That's an important and useful social mechanism in the laborious process of constructing a solid edifice of truth from the crooked timber of humanity. But it's unwise when considering public health responses.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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I think reading about prions is the scary part, no need to wait for the deaths.

feel free to experiment with terrorism establishing credibility using a different psychological model. I, personally, won't.

Why even bother with terrorism? It sounds like a potentially gruesome and sadistic weapon with which to use against a particularly bitter foe- the terror is only incidental. Maybe it's akin to using a dirty bomb.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #108

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> Basically, you get infected, you die. Avoid cannibalism and you should be fine. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/06/482952588/wh...

Avoid eating British beef in the 1980s/1990s, too. Apparently 1 in 2,000 people in the UK may be infected.[0] We still don't know if there's going to be a second wave of disease from infections from that time period due to genetic factors influencing incubation of the disease. This is why people who were in the UK for longer than a few months during the 80s and 90s aren't allowed to give blood in various places aroun…

Serious question should I be avoiding traveling to the UK over this??

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Why would you audit processes when the allegation is that someone got infected because she wasn't following the processes?

if we have some dangerous prion, and some person is bypassing procedure, that still is needing some evaluation. prion escape and becoming common in populations would be a large disaster.

> prion escape and becoming common in populations would be a large disaster.

IIRC, all known prion diseases are only transmissible by ingestion of infectious particles - meaning, eating from infected parts of a carcass, urine/feces and blood.

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