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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by johnsea »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

SailfishOS/Jolla is a great option.

The problem is, that some important (e.g. banking) apps are missing and cannot be installed/run with the Android emulator. Another problem is, that Sailfish is available only in very few countries, e.g. not in the US.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by gsich »

codetrotter wrote: post #120
LucidLynx wrote: post #113

How funny it is to remove this app because it "loads executable" as they released Swift Playground years ago... Plus the new feature of creating and packaging your iOS / iPadOS app + uploading it, directly on the iPad. Apple seems to contradict its own rules since a few years now.

There's no contradiction here. The App Store rules apply to everyone else wanting to publish something on the App Store. Obviously Apple has its own internal rules for what their own software can do.

Some are more equal than others.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by realusername »

donkarma wrote: post #119
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Do you need a phone?

When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by thebruce87m »

pibechorro wrote: post #124
freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

Apple has always been like this. Better hope they dont decide to throttle down your current hardware when they release a thinner one next year and deem yours obsolete.

They have no history of throttling phone hardware to drive sales of new devices. What makes you think they would start doing it now?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by flohofwoe »

tgv wrote: post #127
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

"Side loading" (what a terrible word for what should be the normal way of installing software) could be disabled by default, and behind an extra scary warning screen in the settings which explicitely warns the user about the consequences. At some age (maybe starting at 16 or so?), people should be allowed to make their own decisions without "helicopter companies" hovering above them all the time telling them what to do.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by LucidLynx »

codetrotter wrote: post #120
LucidLynx wrote: post #113

How funny it is to remove this app because it "loads executable" as they released Swift Playground years ago... Plus the new feature of creating and packaging your iOS / iPadOS app + uploading it, directly on the iPad. Apple seems to contradict its own rules since a few years now.

There's no contradiction here. The App Store rules apply to everyone else wanting to publish something on the App Store. Obviously Apple has its own internal rules for what their own software can do.

Swift Playground is listed in the App Store... So no, Apple apps listed in the App Store must follow their rules.

I checked quickly in the guide and no mention of "Me, Apple, can do whatever I want in my store."

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by pjmlp »

freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

It is the Apple way, since the Apple Classic was introduced to the world, don't like it?

Give other company your money.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by johnsea »

tgv wrote: post #127
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

> nobody forces you to buy Apple

there is a lot of pressure to buy either an iPhone or an official (GooglePlay) Android phone. Most (all) services only support these two options. Also true for public/governmental institutions.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by pjmlp »

LucidLynx wrote: post #136
codetrotter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no contradiction here. The App Store rules apply to everyone else wanting to publish something on the App Store. Obviously Apple has its own internal rules for what their own software can do.

Swift Playground is listed in the App Store... So no, Apple apps listed in the App Store must follow their rules. I checked quickly in the guide and no mention of "Me, Apple, can do whatever I want in my store."

Here is an exercise, when a police patrol car gets parked in 2nd lane, and the officier happens to buying some stuff on a nearby shop, go there and tell them nicely that 2nd lane parking is against the traffic laws and they should fine themselves.

Broken analogy? Apple is the police of Apple store.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by vmception »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Eh Apple users you can still download this app and it will stay on their phones after it is removed from the app store

This post seems to mischaracterize what is going on and seems to be pre-prepared sentiment that has nothing to do with what actually is happening or going to happen

Apple users can still file share dos games, if they download that app now. Not clear what level of device control you are reacting to, without agreeing or disagreeing with your sentiment.

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