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I mean, it goes right away with the devaluing narrative of programming that is going around from the last couple of years. To the "anyone can code" narrative we are adding "more so, if they have AI assisted Copilot"
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> The python example is using floats for currency. Dumb question, but what is the proper way to handle currency? Custom number objects? Strings for any number of decimal places?
There's no one answer, but decimal counts of the smallest unit that needs to be measured is common. Like pennies in the US, or maybe "number of 1/10 pennies" if there's things like gasoline tax.
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Copilot is a tool. If you take copilot's suggestions uncritically and push them to Github, - that's on you.
Yeah, because I always check the code of my programming partner for license violations. That's more Trainee than Copilot.
They have 4 hand picked examples on their homepage: https://copilot.github.com/ One has the issue with form encoding: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27697884 The python example is using floats for currency, in an expense tracking context. The golang one uses a word ("value") for a field name that's been a reserved word since SQL-1999. It will work in popular open source SQL databases, but I believe it would bom…
> And these are the hand picked examples. This product seems like it needs some more thought. Everyone's self-preservation instincts kicking in to attack Copilot is kinda amusing to watch. Copilot is not supposed to produce excellent code. It's not even supposed to produce final code, period. It produces suggestions to speed you up, and it's on you to weed out stupid shit, which is INEVITABLE. As a side note, Excel a…
This is utterly damning. I have already instructed my team that Copilot can never be used for our projects. Compromising the product because of unknowable license demands isn't acceptable in the professional world of software engineering. But if we put the licensing to one side for a moment... 1/ Everything I've seen it generate so far is 'imperative hell'. It is practically a 'boilerplate generator'. That might be u…
>2/ The boilerplate is what bothers me the most (as someone who believes in the declarative approach to software engineering). The future for programming and programming languages should be an attempt to step up to a higher level of abstraction, that has been historically the way we step up to higher levels of productivity. As applications get larger and code-bases grow significantly we need abstraction, not more boi…
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Awesome summary and thanks for trying it for the rest of us! Copilot sounded terrible in the press release. The idea that a computer is going to pick the right code for you (from comments, no less) is really just completely nuts. The belief that it could be better than human-picked code is really way off. You bring up a really important point. When you use a tool like Copilot (or copypasta of any kind), you are intro…
While I accept most of the concerns, it's better than your comment suggests. I see some promise for it as a tool for reminding you of a technique or inspiring you to a different approach than you've seen before. For example, I wrote a comment along the lines of "Find the middle point of two 2D positions stored in x, y vectors" and it came up with two totally different approaches in Ruby - one of which I wouldn't have…
But that does not seem to be it's advertised or configured purpose, sitting in your main editor.
"So you are an SWE and you take a break from work to go to Hackernews to complain that Github's Copilot, which is an AI-based solution meant to help SWEs, is utter shit and completely unusuable.
And then you go back to writing AI-based solutions for some other profession. Which is totally not shit or anything.“
Can anybody put this more elegantly?
I saw the gif on Twitter. Sorry, I am not able to understand what is going on. Is copilot a character in the Quake game?
They have 4 hand picked examples on their homepage: https://copilot.github.com/ One has the issue with form encoding: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27697884 The python example is using floats for currency, in an expense tracking context. The golang one uses a word ("value") for a field name that's been a reserved word since SQL-1999. It will work in popular open source SQL databases, but I believe it would bom…
> And these are the hand picked examples. This product seems like it needs some more thought. Everyone's self-preservation instincts kicking in to attack Copilot is kinda amusing to watch. Copilot is not supposed to produce excellent code. It's not even supposed to produce final code, period. It produces suggestions to speed you up, and it's on you to weed out stupid shit, which is INEVITABLE. As a side note, Excel a…
It's still problematic, but the defaults and handling there avoid some issues. So, for example:
Excel: =1.03-.42 produces 0.61, by default, even if you expand out the digits very far.
Python: 1.03-.42 produces 0.6100000000000001, by default.