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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by vxNsr »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #114
vxNsr wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP said the cop was harassing them… the only harassment appeared to be coming from the crowd.

I just watched the video in the article. Seems like everyone is calm. But the man with the gun on his hip seems to be demanding the crowd change their behavior due to some issue with a banner. Whether you call that harassment or not I suppose is a matter of perspective.

That’s not really true tho right? they mock him, they hurl insults, at the end we can hear them telling him he has no life… I understand that we’re now entering a phase of cognitive dissonance, but it’s always surprising to see it so starkly represented.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by rocqua »

throwawaycities wrote: post #82

Maybe the officer will have a great YC application answer for the time he hacked a system. Lots of people here upset with the officer’s tactic, but he didn’t interfere with any right to record. If anyone is at fault it is YouTube for preemptively taking down videos containing copyright that fall within the Fair Use Doctrine…of course that is YouTube’s legal right also, they don’t have to host anything. If it were my…

Its not that the tactic is scummy.

Its that police officers use tactics to prevent recordings of themselves being uploaded and spread. The fact that they explicitly go out of their way to avoid accountability is bad. It is bad because, given the privileges we give police, a strong force of accountability is needed.

This situation is worsened by the fact that this happened at a hearing where police conduct was the subject. There already are doubts in that community about police conduct. If they close ranks, that suggests there is indeed something wrong. Certainly, it means the relationship between police and the community is becoming more and more adversarial, and police aren't trying to bridge that gap. That is simply bad.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by darkwater »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #118
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #35

Very upsetting the mindset of a police officer (sergeant!) who will harass someone while listening to a pre trial hearing for an officer who murdered a man having a mental breakdown, and then upon being recorded will attempt to interfere with that recording. Police officers are given extraordinary powers by society and yet they can act like spoiled brats (or worse). Not cool!

Why aren't you upset about YouTube allowing automated removal of videos with zero reconciliation to fair use statutes? It's YouTube and Instagram that are broken. The right to record is preserved. The ability (not right) to distribute is hampered by these organizations.

Because YT automated removal of copyrighted content here is just the loophole used by the police officer to avoid being recorded and published (which it's a citizen right in the US, according to the article). So it's the sergeant attitude the problem here, he would use another loophole if this one wasn't available.

Why are you trying to diverge the attention spot here?

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by BitwiseFool »

lucideer wrote: post #100
BitwiseFool wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I copied/quoted the part from the GP that stood out to me. I was just gobsmacked that the GP was glad precincts were burned down. I'm weary of mob and vigilante "justice".

Ah; the edit makes more sense. We're each entitled to our own perspective, but fwiw, I think you'll struggle to find any cohort less accountable than the police. Whereas "the mob", being traditionally a phrase used broadly by established powers to derogate the opposition, is almost by definition always the cohort held most to account in any given situation. Furthermore, perhaps one of the biggest false assumptions ma…

Understandable. I'm coming at this from a "violence begets violence" perspective and my fear is escalation.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by mcguire »

robbrown451 wrote: post #99
jollybean wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be poetic justice of a kind, because I'll bet that they find a cop playing music for himself, even while interacting with others is probably not breaking copyright, whereas the person filming and publishing the situation probably is, i.e. an attempt to 'press' the police would end up more than likely just affirming the situation with a specific judicial ruling. It'd be interesting to see how a judge ruled ho…

The person filming it is not violating copyright in any way that would hold up in court. They are not cutting into the market for Blank Space. People aren't going to watch the video so they don't have to pay Taylor Swift. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#4._Effect_upon_work's... ("courts consider whether the use in question acts as a direct market substitute for the original work.") The only thing it is doi…

I would expect the courts to also object to using copyright law to suppress other legal rights.

But yeah, YouTube's policies and mechanisms don't care about the fine points of law.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by hirundo »

988747 wrote: post #70
lucideer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the tools available now to do speech replacement/ deepfakes / etc. I wonder is there anything open-source available for song-replacement. This is actually a problem I've seen on multiple (more innocuous) occasions: so-called "content-creator" youtubers casually mentioning that they had to throw away clips or rerecord sections during editing after realising there was copyrighted background noise. So I'd say ther…

But if you do "song-replacement" then the video is now edited, and loses all credibility.

So post the video with the copyright-material-subtracted audio, plus a link to the unedited audio.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by deadbunny »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #118
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #35

Very upsetting the mindset of a police officer (sergeant!) who will harass someone while listening to a pre trial hearing for an officer who murdered a man having a mental breakdown, and then upon being recorded will attempt to interfere with that recording. Police officers are given extraordinary powers by society and yet they can act like spoiled brats (or worse). Not cool!

Why aren't you upset about YouTube allowing automated removal of videos with zero reconciliation to fair use statutes? It's YouTube and Instagram that are broken. The right to record is preserved. The ability (not right) to distribute is hampered by these organizations.

I could be wrong but doesn't YouTube just remove any monetisation from the uploader and assign it to the artist/label if it detects copyrighted music?

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by NazakiAid »

Quite funny that this ends up making the video more popular because of the Streisand effect. Would be scary if police always had this technique though when recording as maybe it would end up becoming more normalised so the Streisand effect wouldn't happen.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by rocqua »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #94

Keep psychologically abusing police (getting in their face and antagonizing them) instead of holding legislators and officials accountable and see if society gets better or worse.

What should legislators and officials change?

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by BitwiseFool »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #41
BitwiseFool wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really have no clue. Playing music in public isn't considered copyright violation. Otherwise playing the radio would be unlawful. Edit: Wow, it really is considered unlawful. I reflexively hate the idea that playing a song can be considered violating copyright. Yes, I know there's more to it than just that, but wow.

If you're intentionally playing other peoples' recorded music for the public, then ASCAP and BMI are going to want their money.

I think there should be a distinction between 'for the public' and 'in public'.
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