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Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by M4v3R »

chaostheory wrote: post #57
cdolan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source/Sauce?

I don't know why the original comment is being downvoted. It is not a conspiracy theory to assume that we need booster shots. Is it not like our situation with the flu? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/covid-booster-shots-coronavi... The news of this new study just came out today. Give the guy a break.

> Is it not like our situation with the flu?

No, as other commenters pointed out coronaviruses are different from the flu viruses in that they cannot mutate as easily as flu does. Hence it is possible that booster shots will not be required.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by braincat31415 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #95
jaywalk wrote: post #8

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It's time for the naturally immune to be treated the same as those who've been vaccinated. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it.

> zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it We have evidence that vaccination continue to provide broad-spectrum immunity while those naturally immune are e.g. still vulnerable to the Delta variant [1]. [1] https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/06/22/how-immunity-genera...

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that about half of adults infected in an outbreak of the delta variant in Israel were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

Source CNBC.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by xadhominemx »

crazygringo wrote: post #121
xadhominemx wrote: post #80

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I honestly cannot tell if this is a parody comment. It is just too on the nose.

You're being downvoted and flagged because your comments are breaking site guidelines: "Be kind. Don't be snarky.... Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." [1] If you want to participate here, please don't make comments like this one. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Who are you?

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by boc »

metters wrote: post #89

The headline is wrong. The article is about mRNA vaccines in general. Moreover, Pfizer is partner of BioNTech, which developed the vaccine. I don’t understand why OP omits that and solely credits Pfizer.

"The process is the vaccine" aka manufacturing the vaccine is the hardest part. Saying that Pfizer is just a partner of the "real" vaccine developer downplays the importance of manufacturing to a significant degree. It's just as much Pfizer's vaccine as it is BioNTech's.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by CameronNemo »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #91
CameronNemo wrote: post #34

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If we all lived on rural properties sure. But we share the space we live in to a high degree. Vaccination status is a matter of collective public health .

No it's not. Not in the United States lol, unless you work at some hospitals. Get vaccinated and wear a mask to avoid the Delta strain and stay at home more. You don't need to know someone else's status when you've got your own protection. Whenever someone tries to justify something with "but the collective" alarm bells should really start going off. You know that in Florida and other states where there are no mandat…

Masks do not provide as much protection for the users as for other people. I have a right to use public spaces.

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Post by occamrazor »

chaostheory wrote: post #42

So there's no chance of immune escape? I thought at the very least, it'd be like the flu vaccines where the virus mutates often enough that we all need periodic booster shots.

This article says that _if the virus doesn’t mutate_ the immunity is probably long lasting. It doesn’t directly address the orthogonal issue of immune escape.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by reedjosh »

t-writescode wrote: post #113
reedjosh wrote: post #103

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I don't at all disagree, but this will be the first one openly limiting freedoms via the government's monopoly of force. I do believe there are others already doing so too, but none of them are open and acknowledged by the public.

That's not true at all, several of our lists already limit constitutionally approved freedoms. The No Fly List and felony registration for gun ownership being 2 examples. edit: before the downvotes start, agreement with those lists does not negate that they are restricting freedoms based on activities that added or removed someone from a list

> That's not true at all

You got me there.

I believe the No Fly list is a tragedy of Kafkaesque bureaucracy that I wish didn't exist. People have found themselves on it with little recourse.

I haven't researched the felony registration list enough to speak to it intelligently.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by wait_a_minute »

_Microft wrote: post #129
reducesuffering wrote: post #67

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> Then there's the elephant in the room: so few people have been tested that it really difficult to know who has had it. Anyone who has had a cold in the past 18 months is going to claim they had covid, regardless of whether they tested positive or not. There are many many people who have confirmed positive COVID tests. At least excuse those. >I think it's a little irresponsible to society to give anyone an out on ge…

Isn’t the number of antibodies after a COVID infection far lower than after receiving the vaccine? I thought that’s why a jab after an infection is actually still recommended, to boost the number to levels that vaccinated see?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by reducesuffering »

ryandrake wrote: post #120
reducesuffering wrote: post #67

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> Then there's the elephant in the room: so few people have been tested that it really difficult to know who has had it. Anyone who has had a cold in the past 18 months is going to claim they had covid, regardless of whether they tested positive or not. There are many many people who have confirmed positive COVID tests. At least excuse those. >I think it's a little irresponsible to society to give anyone an out on ge…

> There are many many people who have confirmed positive COVID tests. At least excuse those. Yes, but don't just take their word for it. Confirmed clinical test should be the bar. I fear if the "you don't need a vaccine if you've had it" narrative gains traction, even if it is undeniably true, it's going to result in the anti-vaxxers lying about having already had the virus, to manufacture another excuse for themselv…

I agree entirely. My point is that there are a significant amount of people who aren't even there. There hasn't been acquiescing past demanding exception-less vaccine passports.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by baq »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #20
jaywalk wrote: post #8

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It's time for the naturally immune to be treated the same as those who've been vaccinated. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it.

If someone opposes that common sense, I’d have to wonder what their agenda is tbh.

back in the day it was common sense surgeons washing hands is pointless.
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